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Nerevarine x said :

I would have thought all Icyene women with husbands would be equally against Saradomin for that though, so I think that paints Garlandia as a fanatic lol.

People are different. She seems like she has a stronger will than some of the other icyene, that she wouldn't be as comforted by all the pro-Saradomin propaganda that would be directed towards her that he "died for the greater good."

I wonder if her giant harp is relevant to anything? Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 09:57:50

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :

But if she loathed war and Saraodmin was encouraging it, then I agree that's a decent explanation for why she was biased against him.

I still don't think it's justified to label him as corruptible and flawed though..but anyway.

I don't really think so either, which is why I think that, once they reveal more lore bits about life on the icyene homeworld, we'll get even more stuff like this which paints Saradomin in a less favorable light.

She lived her life under him, so she'd see these things firsthand, the good and the bad.

Hey, maybe she learned about that nasty little incident with the naragi? That'd be enough to see him as flawed and corruptible.

Possible, but then again, if Saradomin was so terrible why did he enjoy the majority of Icyene support willingly?

14-Dec-2013 09:58:25

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Nerevarine x said :


Possible, but then again, if Saradomin was so terrible why did he enjoy the majority of Icyene support willingly?

We can't possibly say yet (but all this has got me really excited for the content where we finally visit that world) but, if I were writing it, I'd make Saradomin's backstory before arriving on the icyene world forbidden knowledge, that all other icyene are blissfully unaware of. Propaganda is fed to the icyene daily, making sure they see nothing but the good in their god. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 10:04:28 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 10:05:49 by Lego Miester

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :


Possible, but then again, if Saradomin was so terrible why did he enjoy the majority of Icyene support willingly?

We can't possibly say yet (but all this has got me really excited for the content where we finally visit that world) but, if I were writing it, I'd make Saradomin's backstory before arriving on the icyene world forbidden knowledge, that all other icyene are blissfully unaware of. Propaganda is fed to the icyene daily, making sure they see nothing but the good in their god.

I am sure you would love to do that lol.

I'd like a more balanced approach, telling them he makes questionable and difficult choices (maybe not revealing what they are for the sake of his own reputation) but also letting them know he does this for a good and just cause, to protect his people in the end.

14-Dec-2013 10:05:20 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 10:07:10 by Nerevarine x

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Nerevarine x said :


Am sure you would love to do that lol.

And I'm sure you'd love to make the icyene homeworld the perfect utopia Saradomin always preaches about, with everyone living in utter contentment, wanting for nothing.

Frankly, that'd make a really boring story.

Nerevarine x said :


I'd like a more balanced approach, telling them he makes questionable and difficult choices (maybe not revealing what they are for the sake of his own reputation) but also letting them know he does this for a good and just cause, to protect his people in the end.

I'd believe that if the icyene that have come out of that planet so far have had balanced views of Saradomin. So far I only know of Mrs. Wingless (I'm about ready to give up spelling that name correctly) as the only icyene recorded to have said anything negative about Saradomin. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 10:07:28 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 10:10:06 by Lego Miester

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :


Am sure you would love to do that lol.

And I'm sure you'd love to make the icyene homeworld the perfect utopia Saradomin always preaches about, with everyone living in utter contentment, wanting for nothing.

Frankly, that'd make a really boring story.

Well it'd be some positive lore for Saradomin if it was a perfect utopia, that'd be nice.

But I suggested what I thought should happen in my post above.

14-Dec-2013 10:08:35

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I can also see the value in not revealing his past mistakes and questionable actions though, as that would impact on his Icyene support (you'd think) and thus, his goal to build an orderly world and the 'greater good' philosophy he personifies.

14-Dec-2013 10:10:46 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 10:12:57 by Nerevarine x

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She didn't think the war being wage could win and there are alternatives that they were not pursing. She didn't want to fight and got her wings ripped off for saying no. That would be the point that she'd decide her god at least is a mortal with more power than any sane being should have. Seeing what is happening in Gielinor and her stint in the Icyeneic army after the wing ripping would be very likely to have made her decide that the gods had to be stopped. It's not rocket science.

The lore doesn't say that though.

It clearly states she believed Gods were corruptible and flawed, wanting to underline that point to Saradomin at the banquet. So she had a bias for some time, because she wanted to underline her beliefs to Saradomin at the banquet.

Her bias against Gods didn't develop after her wings were removed but it would have been strengthened.

Why she had the pre-existing bias nobody knows, maybe she had contact with other Gods that informed her thinking, maybe she hated war and saw the negative influence Saradomin brought, recruiting her beloved Icyene into his army.

There's no differentiation between just the god she knew and getting to Gielinor and hearing about the other more directly. To say otherwise is hearsay though what I wrote was speculation as should have been glaringly obvious from the swarm of sentence modifiers I was using.

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14-Dec-2013 10:27:32

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