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Falcoshin said :
Personally, I think it was actually a little of both. The way I see it, Garlandia tapped into a fear of Saradomin's that, despite all he's done for the icyene, it still wasn't enough to justify any trespasses he may have committed against them (and, more importantly, actions the icyene couldn't have known about like the Naragi). In his frustration, he declared that she have her wings ripped off because, ironically, he wanted people to appreciate all he's done for them.

I know that last sentence is a bit damning, but the general idea is suppose to be that, while Saradomin was an ass for what he did, so was Garlandia (and, more importantly, it was Garlandia who started it).

Garlandia didn't want to fight at all, and that was her choice. Saradomin had no right to tell her otherwise. If you believe he did, you're no better than Juna, who believes Gods should have their way whenever they want simply because they're Gods.

Explain how ripping her wings off would have solved anything ?

28-Feb-2014 11:37:42

Balustan

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Moon Man said :
Quael said :
Saradomin barks, but never changes, he remains as a power hungry fool that will keep bringing destruction to the mortals. Saradomin can fight his own battle, he doesn't need followers at all.

Yes, let us ignore all the in-game evidence and tons of mod quotes that he has changed.

In game evidence? I see none. Saying you have changed or are sorry doesn't mean you've changed. If we are to believe Saradomin he tried to make it up to the Naragi (I don't believe the whole story as pretty sure he is lying about Skargaroth being there when he was) just like he tried to apologise to me when he tried to kill me in his rage at my defiance. He hasn't changed he's exactly the same.

and J Mod quotes cannot he counted upon as canon.
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03-Mar-2014 08:31:51

Falcoshin

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Balustan said :

and J Mod quotes cannot he counted upon as canon.

What you mean to say is that J-Mod quotes pertaining to Saradomin can't be considered as canon because it would somehow continue to portray him as a complete monster, but mod quotes (and only mod quotes) pertaining to how Zaros is oh so benevolent and selfless by wanting the world to fall to mortals, but protecting them from themselves MUST be taken as gospel.

03-Mar-2014 08:46:01 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2014 08:52:51 by Falcoshin

Balustan

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Falcoshin said :
Balustan said :

and J Mod quotes cannot he counted upon as canon.

What you mean to say is that J-Mod quotes pertaining to Saradomin can't be considered as canon, but mod quotes about Zaros and his oh so benevolent and selfless demeanor must be taken as gospel.

Nope. however let's not pretend you are not working on the assumption of Zaros enslaving and brainwashing people.

Also we have to rely on J mod quotes atm for Zaros because he isn't back yet.
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03-Mar-2014 08:51:57 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2014 08:53:41 by Balustan

Balustan

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Falcoshin said :
You can deny it all you want, but you've already shown you believe every word the mods said about Zaros wanting the world to "fall to mortals" despite there being absolutely no information in game saying this.

I do because nothing contradicts it. Plus because of how my belief based from stuff in game of how fate works.
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03-Mar-2014 09:17:04

Falcoshin

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Balustan said :

I do because nothing contradicts it.


There's little to nothing contradicting this or this either. That doesn't mean they're true. However, there IS evidence that Zaros was a rather terrible person in the past and no evidence that he has changed as you seem to constantly say.

Ultimately what it comes down to is that the absence of evidence is not evidence in and of itself.

Balustan said :

Plus because of how my belief based from stuff in game of how fate works.

Stuff that, like most of your sources, does not exist.

My, you're just a font of self-delusion, aren't you?

03-Mar-2014 09:47:26 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2014 09:48:18 by Falcoshin

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Moon Man said :
Quael said :
Saradomin barks, but never changes, he remains as a power hungry fool that will keep bringing destruction to the mortals. Saradomin can fight his own battle, he doesn't need followers at all.

Yes, let us ignore all the in-game evidence and tons of mod quotes that he has changed.

The only evidence I've seen is that Saradomin himself claims to have changed. From observation though, I can only say that he has learned from his mistakes, in the situations he admits were mistakes.

With all this discussion of Saradomin, I can only hope the grand unveiling of Zaros this month has him be just as interesting a character. We have never heard him say a single word yet. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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03-Mar-2014 09:54:46 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2014 09:56:49 by Lego Miester

Balustan

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Falcoshin said :
Balustan said :

I do because nothing contradicts it.


There's little to nothing contradicting this or this either. That doesn't mean they're true. However, there IS evidence that Zaros was a rather terrible person in the past and no evidence that he has changed as you seem to constantly say.

Ultimately what it comes down to is that the absence of evidence is not evidence in and of itself.

Balustan said :

Plus because of how my belief based from stuff in game of how fate works.

Stuff that, like most of your sources, does not exist.

My, you're just a font of self-delusion, aren't you?

There are plenty things in game which show fate and how it works which is how I came up with my theory on fate in Gielinor which Mod Osborne then in responding to somebody else acknowledged he felt the same about it. Nobody in game specifically says this is how fate works but it can be worked out from various things, the history quests, prophecies etc.

@Lego he has spoken we've heard him.
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