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Moon Man

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Fates Pyro said :
I agree but my point was to act like Saradomin wouldn't hesitate is foolish

Alrighty, I just wanted to make sure there is no double standard that people always give to Saradomin. Like "Oh Saradomin won't hesitate blasting you if you got in his way so he is EVIL ." When in reality, Seren would probably tear you limb from limb if you even posed a danger to her people yet no one gives her, or any other group that same of kind of double standard.

18-Feb-2014 05:57:41

Cybernet377
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Moon Man said :
Fates Pyro said :
I agree but my point was to act like Saradomin wouldn't hesitate is foolish

Alrighty, I just wanted to make sure there is no double standard that people always give to Saradomin. Like "Oh Saradomin won't hesitate blasting you if you got in his way so he is EVIL ." When in reality, Seren would probably tear you limb from limb if you even posed a danger to her people yet no one gives her, or any other group that same of kind of double standard.

Bad example. Seren was willing to let some of her people die because they wanted to fight back instead of hiding in the forest where no one could reach them.

In fact, Seren and Zaros are the only remaining gods who have yet to actively attack perceived threats to their people. Seren because of her extreme pacifism and Zaros because he's too self-important to be risking his life over an empire and people he didn't care about.

19-Feb-2014 12:41:55

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Cybernet377 said :
Moon Man said :
Fates Pyro said :
I agree but my point was to act like Saradomin wouldn't hesitate is foolish

Alrighty, I just wanted to make sure there is no double standard that people always give to Saradomin. Like "Oh Saradomin won't hesitate blasting you if you got in his way so he is EVIL ." When in reality, Seren would probably tear you limb from limb if you even posed a danger to her people yet no one gives her, or any other group that same of kind of double standard.

Bad example. Seren was willing to let some of her people die because they wanted to fight back instead of hiding in the forest where no one could reach them.

In fact, Seren and Zaros are the only remaining gods who have yet to actively attack perceived threats to their people. Seren because of her extreme pacifism and Zaros because he's too self-important to be risking his life over an empire and people he didn't care about.

Wrong, the Elves that chose to fight in turn chose to die. Seren had recalled our scouts and envoys, those who did not heed her words were lost. Those who remained by her side were protected in her divine light. Seren did not chose their fate.

The forces of Seren did take a reactive approach against our enemies, the Arandar pass was held by the forces of Baxtorian during the god wars of the 3rd age. Seren chose not to interfere in the wars for she had promised Guthix to remain within Tirannwn, not necessarily because of "extreme pacifism"
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20-Feb-2014 14:05:22 - Last edited on 20-Feb-2014 14:06:04 by Ancientm3ge

Athrenn

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Cybernet377 said :
Moon Man said :
Fates Pyro said :
I agree but my point was to act like Saradomin wouldn't hesitate is foolish

Alrighty, I just wanted to make sure there is no double standard that people always give to Saradomin. Like "Oh Saradomin won't hesitate blasting you if you got in his way so he is EVIL ." When in reality, Seren would probably tear you limb from limb if you even posed a danger to her people yet no one gives her, or any other group that same of kind of double standard.

Bad example. Seren was willing to let some of her people die because they wanted to fight back instead of hiding in the forest where no one could reach them.

In fact, Seren and Zaros are the only remaining gods who have yet to actively attack perceived threats to their people. Seren because of her extreme pacifism and Zaros because he's too self-important to be risking his life over an empire and people he didn't care about.

What crystal says is true (albeit a bit too strongly worded). Seren's strength is in an unbreakable will and inner strength gained through intimate self knowledge/inner balance. Much like the martial arts, it is a power that is tempered with wisdom. Sometimes, it is foolishly prideful to hold on to territory that cannot be defended, thus risking the deaths of all her people. Seren did not abandon her people, they left freely and refused her protection with knowledge of the risks.

Also, it is ignorant to call Seen a pacifist. Is a karate expert a pacifist when he allows his enemy to strike first and only fights in defence of himself/his family? No, he's a master of self defense: another form of combat.

26-Feb-2014 09:46:55 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2014 09:49:23 by Athrenn

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As your information is massive you have changed many MANY of my views towards saradomin and I thank you for giving me new insight into him but you also strengthened some. Now be cautious as I do let my emotions block my judgment and so forgive me. I was okay and understanding up to the point of the bottom of page 3 there my emotions went apechit I condemn saradomin for what he did to garlandia I am a firm believer in you can do what you want without prejudice and in a world of gods that cannot happen the fact that he did that to her may be justified in your eyes but cannot in mine imagine he made it so that she could not migrate with her people he made her have to survive the cold harshness of their “so called winter” it might of made her stronger yes but at the cost of being abandoned no. If I brought knowledge to your race and made it prosperous then ask you to join my army and your people do but you don’t does that make it okay for me to tare both of your arms off? NO. I do recognize her bias towards saradomin and I am probably narrow minded as well and for that this is the sole reason why I cannot aid saradomin (unless rewards are involved). (Keep in mind my emotions do guide me and this information is based on what is given at this moment and time)

I am happy to inform you that you have given great information to me but I will still continue to judge saradomin the reason for it is because just because he regrets his past does not change it and I hope you can forgive my arrogance and narrow mindedness after all I am just human.

Note the rest of everything is deal able and i had no problem

27-Feb-2014 15:15:45 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2014 15:17:28 by Ice Man 8000

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Well, remember I offer two explanations for Saradomin's choice to remove Garlandia's wings. The first one is about my view, that he was justified in doing so.

The second perspective doesn't try to excuse his behaviour and explains it was due to his his impulsiveness and over-emotional response to the situation.

27-Feb-2014 15:29:06

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Personally, I think it was actually a little of both. The way I see it, Garlandia tapped into a fear of Saradomin's that, despite all he's done for the icyene, it still wasn't enough to justify any trespasses he may have committed against them (and, more importantly, actions the icyene couldn't have known about like the Naragi). In his frustration, he declared that she have her wings ripped off because, ironically, he wanted people to appreciate all he's done for them.

I know that last sentence is a bit damning, but the general idea is suppose to be that, while Saradomin was an ass for what he did, so was Garlandia (and, more importantly, it was Garlandia who started it).

27-Feb-2014 16:50:23

Moon Man

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Quael said :
Saradomin barks, but never changes, he remains as a power hungry fool that will keep bringing destruction to the mortals. Saradomin can fight his own battle, he doesn't need followers at all.

Yes, let us ignore all the in-game evidence and tons of mod quotes that he has changed.

28-Feb-2014 05:46:31

Adam Teal

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Nerevarine x said :
Well, remember I offer two explanations for Saradomin's choice to remove Garlandia's wings. The first one is about my view, that he was justified in doing so.

The second perspective doesn't try to excuse his behaviour and explains it was due to his his impulsiveness and over-emotional response to the situation.

He was naive and over-confident, like almsot all the other Gods when they ascended. No need to defend Saradomin on this one. I can guarantee you Armadyl, Zamorak, Bandos, etc. all done things that made them look like total @$$holes.

28-Feb-2014 11:30:51

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