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Icaric

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Nerevarine x said :

Saradomin does not play by his own rules and will do what is needed to achieve his aims of a great peace, however controversial it is. Garlandia was a threat to his objectives.

Her public insubordination during the banquet challenged Saradomin's leadership and methodologies, causing considerable humility.


You do realize the word humility means modesty, humbleness, and other things along that line in both the connotative and denotative sense. Her public subordination caused humility. That is actually a good thing.

Humiliation is different. Causing considerable humiliation. That is not necessarily a good thing.

And saradomin is a monster for that. more than before. Please use your words correctly before you retake your arrogant posture of correctness.
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12-Dec-2013 14:58:31

Nerevarine x

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Then again, if you don't find that explanation reasonable, there's always the second one I put forth.

This being that Saradomin's actions were impulsive and emotionally charged, but I don't justify what he did in that argument and it's quite small.

12-Dec-2013 14:58:55

Nerevarine x

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Icaric said :
Nerevarine x said :

Saradomin does not play by his own rules and will do what is needed to achieve his aims of a great peace, however controversial it is. Garlandia was a threat to his objectives.

Her public insubordination during the banquet challenged Saradomin's leadership and methodologies, causing considerable humility.


You do realize the word humility means modesty, humbleness, and other things along that line in both the connotative and denotative sense. Her public subordination caused humility. That is actually a good thing.

Humiliation is different. Causing considerable humiliation. That is not necessarily a good thing.

And saradomin is a monster for that. more than before. Please use your words correctly before you retake your arrogant posture of correctness.

Yes I am aware, I think I can be excused for a grammatical error in 33 posts of text, it is nice to know you are so concerned for me though.

There is great irony in posting on another's arrogance when your intent is to do so by making such a post.

12-Dec-2013 15:01:34 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2013 15:13:45 by Nerevarine x

Velia
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Nerev, do you know how the internet works? If you have an opinion, people will attack you should you state it. If you try to defend this opinion, then you've just invited in a bunch of people who will pick and scratch at the words, spelling, grammar, and main idea of your defence. It's like you're providing a work of literature for a debate club to tear to shreds, then re-assemble in some twisted view which suits their own, or to dig out some hidden meanings which aren't really there.

The way to solve a problem is to get to the root of it. So telling others to 'go away' for 'being wrong' is just an attempt to remove things which the original problem is causing.

12-Dec-2013 15:05:29 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2013 15:06:35 by Velia

Nerevarine x

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Velia said :
Nerev, do you know how the internet works? If you have an opinion, people will attack you should you state it. If you try to defend this opinion, then you've just invited in a bunch of people who will pick and scratch at the words, spelling, grammar, and main idea of your defence. It's like you're providing a work of literature for a debate club to tear to shreds, then re-assemble in some twisted view which suits their own, or who dig out some hidden meanings which aren't really there.

The way to solve a problem is to get to the root of it. So telling others to 'go away' for 'being wrong' is just an attempt to remove things which the original problem is causing.

I'm happy that I have my view here for people to read. Whether it convinces them is not a problem for me, it's in the lore forum and is a credible, logical or evidence based perspective that I provide.

So long as it exists and people know it does, then I am satisfied. Individuals need to be aware that there are good explanations for Saradomin's defence.

12-Dec-2013 15:07:32

Cybernet377
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Nerevarine x said :
She was arrogant and even admits to refusing to aid Saradomin purely to seek a negative response and action from him, to confirm her own pre-determined thoughts that Gods are flawed and corruptible.

Garlandia is very strange and sadistic. I explain it in more detail in my thread.

I think the removal of her wings was very deserving.

You may want to add the rest of her quote about underlining the point, seeing as she elaborates on her intent immediately after the last sentence you have up.

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Gods are like us - corruptable and flawed - but with devastating power at their disposal. I rejected Saradomin to underline that point. When a god calls, we do not have to answer.

She rejected military service in order to show that it's not mandatory to fight just because they are asked to by Saradomin. His response was rather telling of what he thought of that.

She freely admits that many Icyene chose of their own free will to fight for Saradomin, but what about those who didn't? Will they also be brutalized for doing so?

Presumably, seeing as there are non-combatants in the Book of Saradomin, either Saradomin calmed down later and realized that he can't send an entire race into battle without them dying out entirely (which may have been prompted by the Centaur extinctions), or he always intended for non-combatants, and intended the banquet for higher rank Icyene to show a universal support among the leadership, so that the rest of the race would fall into line.

If the former, then Garlandia may have indirectly saved her entire race. If the latter, then her actions were unnecessary but not in any way malicious.

12-Dec-2013 15:26:46

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She mentioned 'Nobel' in her chat and while this may very well be just a descriptor for her look, it could also have meant she was in the upper ranks of Icyene society, before being cast out to die. If she was a notable entity in Domina society then her word would have carried weight with others. The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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12-Dec-2013 15:33:17 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2013 15:38:59 by Solanumtinkr

Nerevarine x

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Cybernet377 said :
Nerevarine x said :
She was arrogant and even admits to refusing to aid Saradomin purely to seek a negative response and action from him, to confirm her own pre-determined thoughts that Gods are flawed and corruptible.

Garlandia is very strange and sadistic. I explain it in more detail in my thread.

I think the removal of her wings was very deserving.

You may want to add the rest of her quote about underlining the point, seeing as she elaborates on her intent immediately after the last sentence you have up.

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Gods are like us - corruptable and flawed - but with devastating power at their disposal. I rejected Saradomin to underline that point. When a god calls, we do not have to answer.



She did not say she rejected assisting Saradomin to prove that when gods call, Icyene do not need to answer. So I didn't add that part of the quote because that's not her intent.

Garlandia's intent was to prove that Gods really are flawed and corruptible. She directly says she denied helping Saradomin to underline that point, expecting a negative reaction from him.

12-Dec-2013 15:38:09

Nerevarine x

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When you think about it, Garlandia says Saradomin brought knowledge and wealth to new Domina.

Garlandia wants to reap the benefits of this but then does not want to help Saradomin. The arrogance and ungratefulness of her - then she has the nerve to publicly oppose him.

And of course, everyone is overlooking the big picture once again. For the entire new Domina, Saradomin brought knowledge and wealth an act of benevolence that many advantaged from.

Yet, people focus on one Icyene.

12-Dec-2013 15:41:04

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