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Nerevarine x

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :

So if she is judging Gods, particularly Saradomin, as corruptible and flawed, what is she basing this assumption on? Is she intrinsically anti-war or something?

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I can see how she might be against war, but I think that's poor justification for her bias.

"Gods are like us - corruptable and flawed - but with devastating power at their disposal." It seems clear stage that she came to this conclusion from observing Saradomin, whatever you want to infer from that at this point.

I disagree with that.

14-Dec-2013 09:24:08 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:25:54 by Nerevarine x

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Lego Miester

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Nerevarine x said :

I disagree with that.

I said "clear at this stage" (sorry about the typo) as in "We currently have absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise."

In the same way that "many gods" are mentioned to be involved in the naragi god wars, but as far as what we currently know, there were only Tuska, Skargaroth, and Saradomin.

I'd say it is unreasonable to assume some other god painted her views until one is mentioned. It'd be like me assuming Brassica Prime was deeply involved in the naragi god wars, despite him never being mentioned. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 09:28:30 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:32:23 by Lego Miester

Nerevarine x

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :

I disagree with that.

I said "clear at this stage" (sorry about the typo) as in "We currently have absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise."

In the same way that "many gods" are mentioned to be involved in the naragi god wars, but as far as what we currently know, there were only three.

The evidence to suggest otherwise is the fact Saradomin brought knowledge and wealth to New Domina, and the only negative mentioned by Garlandia is that he requested Icyene to join his army.

So, how can her anti-God conviction be based so much on Saradomin, when it seems he did a lot of good for the Icyene? Unless she loathed war and that was the sole reason, something that contravened her deep moral beliefs..?

That is the only good explanation I can see.

14-Dec-2013 09:31:29 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:33:40 by Nerevarine x

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Lego Miester

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Nerevarine x said :

The evidence to suggest otherwise is the fact Saradomin brought knowledge and wealth to New Domina, and the only negative mentioned by Garlandia is that he requested Icyene to join his army.

So, how can her anti-God conviction be based so much on Saradomin, unless she loathed war and that was the sole reason? Seems he did a lot of good for the Icyene.

As far as we currently know , the main reason was she loathed war, and that's a perfectly good reason, considering Saradomin brought war. She would only have to believe that the positives Saradomin brought did not outweigh the negatives (which seems clear from her dialogue by how she places more emphasis on the negatives).

I also added a bit to my previous post. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 09:34:40 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:36:15 by Lego Miester

Nerevarine x

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :

The evidence to suggest otherwise is the fact Saradomin brought knowledge and wealth to New Domina, and the only negative mentioned by Garlandia is that he requested Icyene to join his army.

So, how can her anti-God conviction be based so much on Saradomin, unless she loathed war and that was the sole reason? Seems he did a lot of good for the Icyene.

As far as we currently know, she loathed war, and that's a perfectly good reason, considering Saradomin brought war.

Well, I don't think he brought war as in literally waging war on their realm. Immediately afterwards she says he was searching for Icyene recruits.

But if she loathed war and Saraodmin was encouraging it, then I agree that's a decent explanation for why she was biased against him.

I still don't think it's justified to label him as corruptible and flawed though..but anyway.

14-Dec-2013 09:36:56

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Nerevarine x said :

But if she loathed war and Saraodmin was encouraging it, then I agree that's a decent explanation for why she was biased against him.

I still don't think it's justified to label him as corruptible and flawed though..but anyway.

I don't really think so either, which is why I think that, once they reveal more lore bits about life on the icyene homeworld, we'll get even more stuff like this which paints Saradomin in a less favorable light.

She lived her life under him, so she'd see these things firsthand, the good and the bad.

Hey, maybe she learned about that nasty little incident with the naragi? That'd be enough to see him as flawed and corruptible. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 09:42:31 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:42:47 by Lego Miester

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She didn't think the war being waged could win and that there are alternatives that they were not pursing that would work. She didn't want to fight and got her wings ripped off for saying no. That would be the point that she'd decide her god at least is a mortal with more power than any sane being should have. Seeing what is happening in Gielinor and her stint in the Icyeneic army after the wing ripping would be very likely to have made her decide that the gods had to be stopped. It's not rocket science. The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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14-Dec-2013 09:44:18 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:45:59 by Solanumtinkr

Nerevarine x

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Solanumtinkr said :
She didn't think the war being wage could win and there are alternatives that they were not pursing. She didn't want to fight and got her wings ripped off for saying no. That would be the point that she'd decide her god at least is a mortal with more power than any sane being should have. Seeing what is happening in Gielinor and her stint in the Icyeneic army after the wing ripping would be very likely to have made her decide that the gods had to be stopped. It's not rocket science.

The lore doesn't say that though.

It clearly states she believed Gods were corruptible and flawed, wanting to underline that point to Saradomin at the banquet. So she had a bias for some time, because she wanted to underline her beliefs to Saradomin at the banquet.

Her bias against Gods didn't develop after her wings were removed but it would have been strengthened.

Why she had the pre-existing bias nobody knows, maybe she had contact with other Gods that informed her thinking, maybe she hated war and saw the negative influence Saradomin brought, recruiting her beloved Icyene into his army.

14-Dec-2013 09:47:24 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:54:12 by Nerevarine x

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Nerevarine x said :

Why she had the pre-existing bias nobody knows, maybe she had contact with other Gods that informed her thinking, maybe she hated war and saw the negative influence Saradomin brought, recruiting her beloved Icyene into his army.

Maybe her husband was recruited to serve in Saradomin's army, and never came back?

Lots of potential, here. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 09:49:39 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:50:20 by Lego Miester

Nerevarine x

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :

Why she had the pre-existing bias nobody knows, maybe she had contact with other Gods that informed her thinking, maybe she hated war and saw the negative influence Saradomin brought, recruiting her beloved Icyene into his army.

Maybe her husband was recruited to serve in Saradomin's army, and never came back?

Lots of potential, here.

I would have thought all Icyene women with husbands would be equally against Saradomin for that though, so I think that paints Garlandia as a fanatic lol.

14-Dec-2013 09:51:07

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