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Nerevarine x

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Raleirosen said :
What I have a problem with is that there is nothing I've seen that indicates that Garlandia held her anti-god bias before the incident with Saradomin. Absolutely nothing .

It is far more likely and far more logical that she developed those prejudices after Saradomin punished her. Asserting that an anti-god prejudice is what drove her to defy Saradomin is speculative at best.

It's not speculative, she does say directly that she thought Gods were corruptible and flawed, and denied helping Saradomin at the banquet to underline that point.

The last three words are the key. They tell us she already had an anti-god bias beforehand and merely wanted to show Saradomin that herself at the banquet, she wanted to underline her own beliefs at the banquet by refusing to assist him.

14-Dec-2013 07:47:09 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 08:40:11 by Nerevarine x

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Nerevarine x said :
I'm not arguing that an anti-god bias drove Garlandia to defy Saradomin, I've recently altered my arguments and edited some sections.

But, she does say directly that she thought Gods were corruptible and flawed, and denied helping Saradomin at the banquet to underline that point.

The last three words are the key. They tell us she already had an anti-god bias beforehand and merely wanted to show Saradomin that herself at the banquet, she wanted to underline her own beliefs at the banquet by refusing to assist him.
Ah, I see. Nevermind, I suppose that's a valid interpretation... I was reading her "rejection" of Saradomin as more of a post-punishment abandonment, rather than the banquet incident itself.

It's odd, because if she were to develop such a bias prior to the loss of her wings, it would suggest that she was basing her prejudices entirely on Saradomin and no other god (unless of course there were other gods that had some influence on New Domina that we don't know about).

Which would say more about Garlandia than Saradomin, certainly. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

14-Dec-2013 07:57:42 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 08:00:04 by Raleirosen

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Raleirosen said :
Nerevarine x said :
I'm not arguing that an anti-god bias drove Garlandia to defy Saradomin, I've recently altered my arguments and edited some sections.

But, she does say directly that she thought Gods were corruptible and flawed, and denied helping Saradomin at the banquet to underline that point.

The last three words are the key. They tell us she already had an anti-god bias beforehand and merely wanted to show Saradomin that herself at the banquet, she wanted to underline her own beliefs at the banquet by refusing to assist him.
Ah, I see. Nevermind, I suppose that's a valid interpretation... I was reading her "rejection" of Saradomin as more of a post-punishment abandonment, rather than the banquet incident itself.

It's odd, because if she were to develop such a bias prior to the loss of her wings, it would suggest that she was basing her prejudices entirely on Saradomin and no other god (unless there was another god that had some influence on New Domina that we don't know about).

Which would say more about Garlandia than Saradomin, certainly.

The interesting thing is, she notes that Saradomin brought wealth and knowledge to their lands..Which is a good thing, but clearly that didn't help with her bias..She doesn't say anything negative about what he did, other than seeking recruits for his army.

So if she is judging Gods, particularly Saradomin, as corruptible and flawed, what is she basing this assumption on? Is she intrinsically anti-war or something?

Was Saradomin's recruitment on the Icyene world (where most joined willingly) against her own ideologies and conflicting with her own interests?

I can see how she might be against war, but I think that's poor justification for her bias.

Or maybe she did have contact with other gods..

14-Dec-2013 08:04:44

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Nerevarine x said :


I'm not arguing that an anti-god bias drove Garlandia to defy Saradomin, I've recently altered my arguments and edited some sections. S

She does say directly that she thought Gods were corruptible and flawed, and denied helping Saradomin at the banquet to underline that point

The last three words are the key. They tell us she already had an anti-god bias beforehand and merely wanted to show Saradomin that herself at the banquet, she wanted to underline her own beliefs at the banquet by refusing to assist him.

Actually, come to think of it that is what I'm arguing essentially. She had anti-God convictions beforehand and denied Saradomin because of this bias, she wanted to underline it at the banquet, so it did drive her to defy him.

I think I'll change my above post.

14-Dec-2013 08:39:55 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 08:47:50 by Nerevarine x

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Nerevarine x said :

So if she is judging Gods, particularly Saradomin, as corruptible and flawed, what is she basing this assumption on? Is she intrinsically anti-war or something?

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I can see how she might be against war, but I think that's poor justification for her bias.


It certainly seems like she is anti-war now, so it's not a big stretch to assume she was not a fan of war back before her de-winging either, coloring her views on Saradomin.

"At a banquet, he called across the room and asked whether i would be joining his infantry or his bombardiers. I told him that I had no intention of fighting at all. "

Yeah, that sounds anti-war. If it were specifically anti-Saradomin it would have been something like "no intention of fighting for him at all"

edit: She doesn't claim Saradomin is mortal, just "Gods are like us - corruptable and flawed - but with devastating power at their disposal." So I chucked this paragraph. It seems clear at this stage that she came to this conclusion from observing Saradomin, whatever you want to infer from that at this point. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2013 09:11:08 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 09:25:51 by Lego Miester

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Lord Bilrach said :
Wait, why would Saradomin promote her to a noble class if she was against him even back then?

Nowhere does it say Saradomin promoted her to a noble class..

All Garlandia says is that she was a noble being. She is not referring to herself as nobility, I thought that was crystal clear, you know there's a difference between the two right?

14-Dec-2013 09:12:36

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Solanumtinkr said :
That's assuming that she wasn't from a line of noble or chosen by the people. Saradomin doesn't run the day to day affairs or he'd need 50k projections dodging each other to keep up.

What are you trying to say?

Surely you're not suggesting that the sentence she speaks is about her being from nobility?

It does not sound remotely like she is implying that.

14-Dec-2013 09:15:30

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