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Cthris
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Nerevarine x said :
Changes to the "Song From Before the War" section, in regards Niht Scinnre's comment about golem limbs.Added more lore about Varmen's Notes and adjusted explanations to reflect the evidence. In addition, there's no evidence to link Saradomin to the denial of golem limb delivery to humans, they were created in Uzer by the Icyene. Saradomin was battling Zamorak and trying to vanquish evil, I'm confident he cannot oversee every single issue in the war.

Varmens notes do not say Icyene made golems, and golem limbs, and the spirits of Eild said mages gave them golems, also we know that Saradomin brought the warrior icyene over not the crafters and non combatants. yet in Varmens notes it says

b ut its existence tells us that the city's inhabitants were expert magical craftsmen.

This means humans were making them, also Saradomin himself went to Uzer

With Saradomin's help the army of Uzer was able to drive Thammaron back, but the record ends at that point and it has always been assumed that a later attack, either by *hammaron or by Zamorak's other forces, finished the city off.

This means he could have given the golem limbs to humans but didn't



Btw if you could show me where you got that icyene made the golem limbs then i will be very happy

09-Dec-2013 12:41:27

Nerevarine x

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I was under the impression the Icyene made them, maybe they didn't and humans did.

Either way it makes no difference if humans or Icyene made them, it doesn't alter any of my arguments.

I do not make any reference to the Icyene creating golem limbs in my main thread, the only time I did was in my reply you quoted.

In the main thread i said the Icyene were responsible for the lack of golem limb supply to humans, but I provide possible reasons for this.


Regarding Saradomin arriving at Uzer, like I said he's locked in a battle with his enemy and defending the town, his priority isn't whether humans are being dispatched golem limbs..

I'm sure he cannot personally overwatch every deed done on Gielinor. You have no evidence he was aware of the golem limb problem.

09-Dec-2013 13:56:34 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2013 15:09:59 by Nerevarine x

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Solanumtinkr said :
No but if humans made them and then were denied access to them by Icyene, that would say something about the regime as well.

Well yeah, the Icyene did deny humans access to the golem limbs. I have four good reasons why.

The fact humans crafted them does not detract from those arguments, I believe the Icyene are a priority to receive them over humans.

09-Dec-2013 14:07:24

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Solanumtinkr said :
^ I don't know what you're talking about really lol, all I was saying was Mod Jack's quotes about the military might of the Zarosian Empire are very recent. He's a storyline writer for Zaros too, so they're quite applicable.

Ok, I knew that already since I used the very quote you showed me before in my thread 'Zaros is EVIL'.

The Empty Lord did have great armies and would not have risked himself in combat...I don't see how that pertains to the topic I was discussing though.

I was remarking that a good reason for Saradomin waging war on Zaros is the appalling living conditions for humans in the empire, so it would be an act of liberation and protection by Saradomin to remove Zaros from the equation.

09-Dec-2013 14:07:34 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2013 15:01:19 by Nerevarine x

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I was under the impression that it wasn't that Uzer refused to make prosthetics for humans, but that it was simply unfeasible to do so.

Either the high cost of making one considering that Icenye are far more capable combatants, the fact that Icenye physically produce magic needed to power it for long periods (where humans would constantly need runes to power it), or quite simply human bodies not handling the weight of them well.

One of my friends once made an extremely detailed arm out of modeling clay. You don't realize how heavy clay is until you try to pick up a large object made from the stuff.

09-Dec-2013 14:11:55

Eren Lapucet

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An excellent thread, Nerevarine x.

..some day I intend to read it.

(On a serious note, I'm surprised by the length and quality of this thread. Major props, as usual, although I don't always agree with what you say.) I'm too Unaligned to have a forum signature.

09-Dec-2013 14:13:11 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2013 14:14:43 by Eren Lapucet

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Cybernet377 said :
I was under the impression that it wasn\'t that Uzer refused to make prosthetics for humans, but that it was simply unfeasible to do so. Either the high cost of making one considering that Icenye are far more capable combatants, the fact that Icenye physically produce magic needed to power it for long periods (where humans would constantly need runes to power it), or quite simply human bodies not handling the weight of them well. One of my friends once made an extremely detailed arm out of modeling clay. You don't realize how heavy clay is until you try to pick up a large object made from the stuff.

Yes, the expenses associated with creating golem limbs is one of the reasons I offer as to why humans may have not had access to them.

Costly products are utilised on those who benefit the most from them and can maintain the war efforts i.e Icyene.

But I do add some additional reasons, if you care to read.

09-Dec-2013 14:25:54

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Eren Lapucet said :
An excellent thread, Nerevarine x.\n\n..some day I intend to read it.\n\n(On a serious note, I\'m surprised by the length and quality of this thread. Major props, as usual, although I don\'t always agree with what you say.)

Thanks! Take your time :D

I made the table of contents so if there's a topic that you're particularly interested in, you can quickly go to it.

The thread itself is very long because there's so many criticisms people have, I try to address as many as I can.

Then of course I need evidence to back that up, so there's heavy use of quotes from characters in-game which support my views.

09-Dec-2013 14:28:08

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