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Nerevarine x

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Edcy said :
You've started to defend Saradomin from unnecessary matters, begone with it and prevail with only necessities. Let outsiders think what they do about Saradomin's falses, and embrace his goodness is all that matters. It only slows down the progress!


Not really, I'd say every topic on this thread has been a major subject whereby people have criticised Saradomin. I'm merely providing another perspective, supported heavily with evidence, making it a very strong argument.

22-Dec-2013 13:53:55

Dennorak
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what is your point when you say the Naragi helped start the war? Trying to shift blame away from Saradomin? Well he came to their world. He demanded worship, they said no and it angered him, and regardless of what the Naragi did, Saradomin made a huge mistake. Just admit he messed up and move on with it, you would get so much more respect by doing that instead of trying to defend him in an act that he does not deserve defending for

Quit trying to paint Saradomin as the good guy on every damn thing he does
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22-Dec-2013 14:30:43 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2013 14:33:12 by Dennorak

Derack
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i dont care what you say nor think saradomin is just evil as any other god my point stands and you cant change the way i think, any objection?
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22-Dec-2013 14:52:51

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Anenemus said :
I have a question.
What did Saradomin mean by "I will stand as the One True God!"?

Saradomin never actually said that what he actually said was "Only I can rule as the true god!" people on the forums like to twist things he says to make him sound worse. What he meant by that statement was because he's the only "true" god (he's the only one proactively trying to protect his followers in his eyes) he's the only one who deserves to rule.
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22-Dec-2013 16:11:46

Stevie Z
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Dennorak said :
what is your point when you say the Naragi helped start the war? Trying to shift blame away from Saradomin? Well he came to their world. He demanded worship, they said no and it angered him, and regardless of what the Naragi did, Saradomin made a huge mistake. Just admit he messed up and move on with it, you would get so much more respect by doing that instead of trying to defend him in an act that he does not deserve defending for

Quit trying to paint Saradomin as the good guy on every damn thing he does

^this is good.

This isn't 2001-2012 era anymore where Saradomin was only known for good.
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22-Dec-2013 17:30:48 - Last edited on 23-Dec-2013 04:56:13 by Stevie Z

Neo Bestia

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¡Bandos: All you weaklings will fall beneath the god of war!
¡Zamorak: Stay your tongue, beast!
¡Saradomin: Only I can stand as the true god!
¡Sliske: Silence! Enough of this petty arguing. If you won't do it, then I'll kick things off myself.

Coupled with what Vardan said previously, I would like to add that maybe he was also just spiting Bandos.

22-Dec-2013 18:15:28

Nerevarine x

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Dennorak said :
what is your point when you say the Naragi helped start the war? Trying to shift blame away from Saradomin? Well he came to their world. He demanded worship, they said no and it angered him, and regardless of what the Naragi did, Saradomin made a huge mistake. Just admit he messed up and move on with it, you would get so much more respect by doing that instead of trying to defend him in an act that he does not deserve defending for

Quit trying to paint Saradomin as the good guy on every thing he does


Yes, that is my point. Saradomin wasn't the only one responsible for the war, if Nakigi and his Naragi followers are to be believed.

Such a viewpoint is equally important as Guthix's perspective. You seem to like ignoring lore which doesn't support your view.

I understand Guthix, Saradomin and Kaigi's Journal all have evidence to share. We need to acknowledge all of this instead of turning a blind eye like you are doing.

Guthix's view is not the 'be all and end all' of the situation.

In my initial section, the Naragi, Kaigi's Journal and Saradomin's Perspective Posts 1-5, I investigate all three of these perspectives and provide a defence for Saradomin.
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Now, funnily enough I see you are being very hypocritical in your own post when you say "Just admit he messed up and move on + quit trying to paint Saradomin as the good guy on every damn thing he does."

You're unwilling to admit that Zamorak's fire lasted for more than seconds in the Book of the Gods, and killed many people, despite evidence to the contrary.

A Jagex Mod recently cleared this issue up on twitter, telling us people did die in the flames.

You also defend Zamorak's obliteration of Forinthry which is laughable, it had permanent effects and almost wiped out a race of Aviansie.

You're in no position to be preaching to people about defending their Gods when they don't deserve to be defended. I use lore and have valid reasoning.

23-Dec-2013 05:37:09 - Last edited on 23-Dec-2013 05:46:44 by Nerevarine x

Stevie Z
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You do have vaild points to your defence, but...
I still find Saradomins initial actions as you stated in your Naragi journal post, to be the main reason a war started. If he didn't demand worship, then attack them when they said no, there would have been no reason for the naragi to defend themselves from him.
It's the same exact concept of a militia fighting back against a dictator or tyrant.
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I, being a player from Runescape Classic up to now have always known Saradomin as a good, benevolent god.
The story that has been developed for him has been brilliant and well written. Showing that everything was not exactly as it seems.

I do think Saradomin still has many good qualities, and is still a overall 'good' character. I just find his acts against the Naragi as outright wrong.
I think the only redemption for that action would be using that Wand he took to bring them back.
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23-Dec-2013 07:05:56

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Honestly, I think the notion that Saradomin was "defending" himself from the Naragi, who attacked first, is ludicrous. They were an agrarian society and he is a proven ill-tempered individual (as seen in Death of Chivalry, he attacks you when you simply refuse to hand over the Wand, which chose you, not him).

Let's be honest: what is more likely? Saradomin fired the first shot, almost certainly. I mean, he fired the first shot against the World Guardian in the Death of Chivalry a few months ago, for passively resisting his demands. It is obvious that a much younger, more hotheaded Saradomin would have done the same when confronted with flippant dismissal of his godly claims by "puny farmers."

Attacking your detractors, original poster, does not bolster your arguments. Accept the facts that Saradomin is a tyrant. Fascism goes hand-in-hand with absolute order. Every god has a fatal flaw. Otherwise our choice of god would be meaningless. We need a flaw to look past and accept. You, however, are not accepting Saradomin, you are preaching your idealized version of Saradomin.

Now, you can reply to this with some random point about some other god, but know that in doing so you are convincing nobody, not even yourself. Accept Saradomin's flaws. It's the only way anybody would ever side with him now.

23-Dec-2013 07:53:29

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