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Chaos Lupus

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Androme said :
Zulkir said :
First he kills Naragi for not wanting to follow him...

Then he attacks US for not giving him a wand that doesn\\'t even belong to him?! He told me to keep the wand out of evil hands! I was doing my quest objective!

Now he tears off his own Icyenes wings because he was EMBARRASSED. then left her to DIE!

A filthy sickening hypocritical EVIL god.


Again, you have no say about anything, you follow the god with not only the highest body count, but also responsible for the highest amount of, and MOST despicable acts of cruelty and evil.

Besides, if anyone dabbles in lies and hypocrisy*****'s Zaros and his followers. Saradomin is straightforward with what he wants.

If you don\'t believe that Saradomin is benelovent and Zaros is evil, then read Nerevarine X\'s threads, they have hard facts and in-game lore with evidence that clearly proves these two points.


Tsk tsk, I would have thought that Icriulis would have taught you not to use red herrings by now. We've read Nev's threads, they don't help Saradomin's case.
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11-Dec-2013 17:20:49

Neo Bestia

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I think we need to look into this a bit deeper. I believe some people are using it to overly bash Saradomin. I would like to put up a few points:

A. I am Icyene, and our home was ruled by Saradomin. Though he brought knowledge and wealth to our lands, he also brought war. He demanded that we fight for him, and many did so willingly.

From this three sentences I believe we can deduce that Saradomin was not NEGATIVE to the Icyene: he brought wealth and knowledge to New Domina. He also brought war, but... "He demanded that we fight, and MANY did so WILLINGLY". This could indicate that many Icyene commited their lives and services to Saradomin's ideals, and some people here have been more than keen to ommit.

Of course that, many, by extension, leaves some icyene that did not see fit to fight for Saradomin. Yet we have no indication that Saradomin tortured them or applied any other sort of punishment for their refusal to fight for him. Naturally, we don't have anything that says he didn't, but I should think that the Godless Icyene in question would not have left such details out.

B. Jagex has told in repetitive occasions not to take NPC dialogue as set in Stone. Particularly, we have no background on said character in question except what it DECIDES to tell us. We have no way at the moment to confirm it's absolute veracity, but, obviously, we must denounce Saradomin as evil at ONCE!
Remember, this whole topic revolves around the saying of 1 NPC.

C. Icyene culture might be different from ours. There's no way of knowing if even other Icyene were the ones suggesting said punishment and Saradomin was simply the one to carry it out. In any case, there is very little information on how the Icyene resolve their problems, or even the severity of their punishments. Their moral, cultural, social, ethical codes are not familiar to us.
And sure, we could argue basing ourselves on what Saradomin considers to be true and honest, but we still have to see it...

11-Dec-2013 20:14:29 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2013 20:18:23 by Neo Bestia

Cthris
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Again, you have no say about anything, you follow the god with not only the highest body count, but also responsible for the highest amount of, and MOST despicable acts of cruelty and evil.

Besides, if anyone dabbles in lies and hypocrisy*****'s Zaros and his followers. Saradomin is straightforward with what he wants.

If you don\'t believe that Saradomin is benelovent and Zaros is evil, then read Nerevarine X\'s threads, they have hard facts and in-game lore with evidence that clearly proves these two points.


Actually mods have said he is so into self preservation that he doesn't fight, so it's unlikely he personally killed much people, I can count the amount of people he killed on on 1 hand and 1 finger that we know he killed himself, the invisible ghost and 1 god. Unlike saradomin who has killed hundreds of Naragi when he unfortanly destroyed the city, now if we are talking about killing people in wars, saradomin still wins for largest kill count, let's count the wars he was in, Naragi war, war vs Zaros, removal of the remaining zarosians, god war, battle of Lumbridge, every singe one of these Saradomin is responsible for the deaths, not saying he shouldn't have fought just that he is responsible for the deaths since he commanded his troops to fight. Now let's count how many wars Zaros fought, 1, what else do we know about Zaros, we know when he concurred he didn't go in guns blazing but instead converted slowly making sure there was no needless death, what else did the mods say, they also said Zaros only started battles he knew he could win very fast so even less death was on his hands.



By the way nev's threads are actually his opinion of lore, that in his own opinion is evidence that Zaros is evil, evidently it is your opinion as well, but just cause people look at the same evidence and come up with a different opinion then you doesn't mean they are wrong

12-Dec-2013 05:25:49

Nerevarine x

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Cthris said :


By the way nev\'s threads are actually his opinion of lore, that in his own opinion is evidence that Zaros is evil, evidently it is your opinion as well, but just cause people look at the same evidence and come up with


No, lol.

It's not my opinion, the evidence I presented about Zaros being evil was clearly indicative of a malevolent God.

I provided lore to highlight some of the evil acts Zaros has committed, that is not my opinion it is in-game sources of evidence. Need examples?

The description of Zaros' Empire isn't interpretive or my opinion, it's straight from Mod Jack's quotes (storyline writer for Zaros). Zaros keeps innocent humans (the majority) in conditions almost comparable to slavery.

That's not my opinion that's just evidence. Same goes for the Dragon Riders. The truth of the matter right now is, Zaros never upheld his promise (you can argue he may have if there was more time, but the reality is, he didn't)

The Dragon Riders were distrustful of him, eventually seeking out the help of Zamorak.

The Dragon Riders were almost extinct, another fact from the story and Zaros refused to cure their infertility.

All of this is from the evidence and quotes in game, it isn't my opinion. So no, you are wrong.

12-Dec-2013 07:47:54

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