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William Witt
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Just popping in. Haven't read all the posts.

Noctiseus, that sentence doesn't appear to imply that the city contains nothing but the elderly and the infirm. Indeed, the rest of that portion of the text appears to make this exceedingly implausible. (They talk of making the journey north and say the elderly and infirm cannot do so—If everyone is elderly and infirm, how is anyone to take the journey they were just describing?)

That sentence seems to me to simply be saying that the elderly and infirm members of the population won't be able to make the journey north, not that the entire population is elderly and infirm.

As for what Azzanadra said, I have long said he appears to be incorrect on that count—If you look at the displays on the ground floor of the Museum of Varrock, you can find a Zamorakian coin marked 'Senntisten'... It looks as though the Zarosians abandoned Senntisten (allowing Zamorak to capture it), not fought to the death like Azzanadra imagined.

Also, Saranthium was a separate settlement built in the area much later (perhaps Senntisten was genuinely gone by then).
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07-Dec-2013 05:58:19

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Solanumtinkr said :
"Saradomin: I sought to make amends , when the beast [Tuska] and the hunter [Skargaroth] brought violence of their own."


This could still mean he waited until much later, as there is no specified time on when they arrived or first came into contact. It may easily have taken a while for him to come to his senses after seeing what the other gods were doing. He could easily have been at war for centuries. And it was certainly more than the 5 minutes some Saradominists seem to keep on insisting on, more by a very wide margin.

It's canonical fact that NPCs can be wrong in how they describe what theysee, that NPCs do lie and Saradomin learned not to try and force worship, so he will lie, omit and twist things beyond all recognition, if he thinks he can get away with it.

Nobody knows the time period it took before Saradomin realised the error of his ways and sought to make those amends.

He tried to redeem himself when he witnessed Tuska and Skargaroth destroy the Naragi viciously: "I sought to make amends when the beast [Tuska] and the hunter [Skargaroth] brought violence of their own .

The chaos and destruction gave Saradomin an opportunity to seek redemption by defending the Naragi. We know that Tuska and her minions were quick to commence killing and looting, so I imagine Saradomin did not wait long before intervening.

As Mewzard said (and I mentioned in my thread) Mod Stu affirmed Saradomin's responses in the Death of Chivalry were intended to be genuine.

07-Dec-2013 05:59:32 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2013 08:11:32 by Nerevarine x

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Sapun said :
A land ruled by Saradomin would literally have nothing interesting going on.Proof: Entrana.

Is this meant to be evidence to vilify Saradomin or a reason not to follow him? If so, I don't see the merit in it.

I'm confident the people of Gielinor will appreciate living under Saradomin's protection.

07-Dec-2013 06:01:24 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2013 06:37:39 by Nerevarine x

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@ Balustan page 12 - Regarding the Icyene and humans

Sergeant Mazakon said:

"This is why there are no humans in the High Command, you don't live long enough to see the whole picture.

" The Front has moved twenty kilometres south in the last hundred years . Zamorak sends powerful demons to raze every settlement they can reach. If we stop pushing back, Uzer itself could be in danger."

This makes perfect sense, the God wars carried on for centuries and Icyene Commanders can assess the situation for a long time, they can see the progress that is made on the battlefield and can make tactical decisions in hindsight that humans could not, simply because they don't live long enough to understand patterns of enemy behaviour and attack.

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Humans were not considered weak by the Icyene or Saradomin, I counter this fallacy in my section on "The Song From Before the War".

Mazakon tries to recruit them for a reason, Elspeth was likely blessed by Saradomin with a voice that can obliterate ripper demons, and the author of "The Song From Before the War" fights valiantly, along with other humans.

After his village is ruined he continues to fight for Saradomin in the army.

07-Dec-2013 06:01:32 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2013 06:52:34 by Nerevarine x

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Dennorak said :
Why do Saradominists continue to try to defend Saradomin about the Naragi incident? He messed up big time, no way around it, just move on from it

For the most part I don't justify Saradomin's actions, again (it seems I'm saying this a lot) if you read that segment of the thread I offer explanations as to why he redeemed himself for what he did.

I do say the Naragi may have shared responsibility for the war with Saradomin because we have evidence of this in Kaigi's Journal, Nakigi tells us himself that he believes the Naragi AND Saradomin are liable.

I also explain how the Naragi incident greatly affected him, allowing Saradomin to learn from a bad experience.

It's a defence of Saradomin.

07-Dec-2013 06:32:08 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2013 06:53:45 by Nerevarine x

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Nerevarine x said :
Dennorak said :
Why do Saradominists continue to try to defend Saradomin about the Naragi incident? He messed up big time, no way around it, just move on from it For the most part I don't justify Saradomin's actions, again (it seems I'm saying this a lot) if you read that segment of the thread I offer explanations as to why he redeemed himself for what he did.I do say the Naragi may have shared responsibility for the war with Saradomin because we have evidence of this in Kaigi's Journal, Nakigi tells us himself that he believes the Naragi AND Saradomin are liable.I also explain how the Naragi incident greatly affected him, allowing Saradomin to learn from a bad experience.It's a defence of Saradomin.
Are justifying that Saradomin can be redeemed for such heinous acts? This isn't an exchange thing here where Saradomin can magically do good and be redeemed for what he did. He still killed them. He still led a major part to the fall of the Naragi. He's a monster that needs to start doing good instead of evil. I make videos.

07-Dec-2013 07:24:58

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A C P L said :
Nerevarine x said :
Dennorak said :
Why do Saradominists continue to try to defend Saradomin about the Naragi incident? He messed up big time, no way around it, just move on from it For the most part I don\'t justify Saradomin\'s actions, again (it seems I\'m saying this a lot) if you read that segment of the thread I offer explanations as to why he redeemed himself for what he did.I do say the Naragi may have shared responsibility for the war with Saradomin because we have evidence of this in Kaigi\'s Journal, Nakigi tells us himself that he believes the Naragi AND Saradomin are liable.I also explain how the Naragi incident greatly affected him, allowing Saradomin to learn from a bad***************'s a defence of Saradomin. \nAre justifying that Saradomin can be redeemed for such heinous acts? This isn\'t an exchange thing here where Saradomin can magically do good and be redeemed for what he did. He still killed them. He still led a major part to the fall of the Naragi. He\'s a monster that needs to start doing good instead of evil.

Saradomin did redeem himself, by defending the Naragi against Tuska as best he could, a wild beast which mercilessly killed Naragi and destroyed their settlements.

Saradomin protected the Naragi for no other reason than to atone for past mistakes, but he was losing the battle and was forced to retreat.

This is was an act of goodness to make amends for his errors and he fought for as long as was feasible.

07-Dec-2013 07:46:06 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2013 07:46:41 by Nerevarine x

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None of us care if he did decide to fight against Tuska to defend them in the end, that changes nothing and that absolutely does not pardon a single thing he did whilst on their homeworld.

You're being incredibly bias towards Saradomin, because I know you're only defending the murder of thousands of Naragi because Saradomin was the one there doing the disgraceful deed.

If it were literally any other god, you would be exactly like the rest of us, disgusted, and continuously pointing out this major unforgivable flaw.
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07-Dec-2013 08:41:48 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2013 08:42:17 by Zulkir

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@Lethalintent

Why comment in the thread? If you know this is going to be extremely biased, incite flaming and faction-bashing, why prolong the thread's life? Honestly, for those of us who are extremely ticked off at these threads, best thing to do is not comment. No comments=no thread. Leave it to the 51 page forum monster to handle it.

07-Dec-2013 09:00:04

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