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Lego Miester
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Little tidbit unrelated to my prior post. In the Zarosian extermination posts, you use a lot of posts from a certain mod, and forgot to underline a small portion:

"None of this is canon"

Don't use it to back up your points. :@ It's as theoretical as your idea that the icyene rebelled because they just really hated the idea of peace and order.

We can toss these sorts of theories around for the sake of brainstorming, and they can be fun that way, but we have to acknowledge none of that is in the actual game. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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09-Dec-2013 09:23:44 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2013 09:25:32 by Lego Miester

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Lego Miester said :
Nerevarine x said :
I believe there's no evidence to suggest the humans were seduced Just a moment...She had shed the grey cloak, and beneath it she wore a white dress cut to show off her figure. There were some catcalls from the audience as she walked forward, but everyone went quiet when she plucked her cithara and started to sing. Watching the beautiful icyene-blooded woman, hearing her perfect, piercing soprano voice, I think I fell in love with her right then. I think every young man in the audience did. She then sings a song about how proud this theoretical woman (that she is singing from the perspective of, for obvious reasons, in a low cut dress) is that these men would fight and die for her (and Saradomin). Nope, no seduction here.

^ Yes, however that's not evidence she can control people's decisions through seduction and enchanting...

The humans could make their own minds up about enlisting, I agree that they were influenced (that's not enchanting or controlling) by her beautiful singing and perhaps as you suggest, her style of clothing, although it doesn't seem too provocative to me (do you see men who are literally unable to make their own decisions when a woman wears scantily clad clothing nowadays? - no).

It might influence their choice, it doesn't control it or force them to do something.

Mazakon says it's a recruitment tactic, again that doesn't imply she has the ability to enchant them so that they cannot decide for themselves whether to join or not.

I say it's a legitimate recruitment strategy, whereby there's no evidence she can enchant people. Rather, Elspeth tries to persuade the crowd through emotion, incredible singing and her physical appearance (although this not a key issue in my opinion, it's not like she was wearing nothing at all lol).

09-Dec-2013 09:48:55 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2013 11:00:18 by Nerevarine x

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Lego Miester said :
Little tidbit unrelated to my prior post. In the Zarosian extermination posts, you use a lot of posts from a certain mod, and forgot to underline a small portion:\n\n "None of this is canon" \n\nDon\'t use it to back up your points** :@ ****'s as theoretical as your idea that the icyene rebelled because they just really hated the idea of peace and order. \n\nWe can toss these sorts of theories around for the sake of brainstorming, and they can be fun that way, but we have to acknowledge none of that is in the actual game.

"None of this is canon" was written in one quote , the other three still stand. I'm going to keep all of them though.

Mod Jack is a storyline writer for Zaros, as such he is a very reliable source of information on Zaros. He has a good concept on how he wants to paint the Empty Lord. He has reiterated the terrible living conditions for humans in the Zarosian Empire, it hasn't just been one post.

09-Dec-2013 09:52:32 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2013 11:34:26 by Nerevarine x

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There's a whole thread dedicated to Zaros with a back and forth about Zaros with Mod Jack. We've had some influence on the storyline. There were seeming inconstancies that Lorehounds found answers for :) Opinions on Zaros There is a lot more you could probably find by using 'show' on his profile. At the end of the day that history is being fleshed out and possibly retconned as we speak. What I found interesting though is Zaros has only fought twice himself. Once with Zamorak and the other when he arrived and fought the god occupying that area. Yet look at how far he expaned his empire with no need to intervene himself!

That is why the gods would have slaughted as much as they could as fast as they could. Zaros was not dead and what he could do aginst them without intervening directly, even when the gods were supporting their troops, was truly frightening. They'd have had no choice, by their reconning, but to dismantle the empire by the fastest method possible. The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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09-Dec-2013 11:10:13

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^ Really? I don't think so.

Mod Jacks' comments about Zaros are very recent, maybe a month old.

They came from the very thread you mentioned. I don't think Zaros' history is being changed at all.

09-Dec-2013 11:23:37 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2013 11:27:16 by Nerevarine x

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After arriving on Gielinor in the Second Age, Zaros fought in personal combat only twice. Once at the very start of the invasion against the god who was occupying the region where he arrived, and once at the height of the empire against Zamorak.

Zaros hates direct physical intervention of any sort. He would never fight personally against a god if he could possibly avoid it, and would certainly never get out and fight on the battlefield. It's partly distaste for a "lesser" form of interaction, and partly a sort of cowardice and self-preservation which makes sense when you're as old and (in his opinion) important as Zaros is.

Zaros would have sacrificed his entire empire before putting himself in danger.

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09-Dec-2013 11:26:42

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Lol he was going to retcon Viggora until I made suggestion that fit the facts. It's kind of hard to argue with the fella writing the story. Now while I'll reserve judgment until that story is released. Facts are facts. The god fought to dismantle Zaros' war machine as allies. The fact is Zaros didn't neet in physically intervene, his army was enough. Only the betrayal stopped the major gods from being eventually defeated. No major god clashes like bol. Just a Zarosian army rolling over everything in it's path.

And you don't think anyone would want to stop them from bringing Zaros back? Or stop them from organising enough help to carry on while their god regrouped? The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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09-Dec-2013 11:40:10

Nerevarine x

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^ I don't know what you're talking about really lol, all I was saying was Mod Jack's quotes about the horrible living conditions in the Zarosian Empire are very recent. He's a storyline writer for Zaros too, so they're quite applicable.

09-Dec-2013 11:42:14

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^ I don't know what you're talking about really lol, all I was saying was Mod Jack's quotes about the military might of the Zarosian Empire are very recent. He's a storyline writer for Zaros too, so they're quite applicable. The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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09-Dec-2013 11:54:12

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