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Gamez X
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Well according to zaros's memories from fotg quest, the ilujanka planet iaia is one of the lower planes. Now while i dont think "shadow" when i look at this they do make a point of saying its sky is incredibly dark so you cant see any stars. This is the only other planet i know of thats stated to be one of the lower worlds and hence why i put in on my map the first time, though they dont seem to have used that planet at all in the stream

Its also possible iaia is the homeworld of the dragonkin. If the lower planes are remnants of the previous cycle then they might of survived. We already know the planet is home to 2 dragon-like creatures (the illujanka and the gurh) so its not a stretch to think there might be a 3rd which left the planet early on to follow jas's path

26-Sep-2017 13:31:23

Marine Doge

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Hguoh said :
Just realized something.

We have dark worlds for Blood (Vampyrium), Ice (Leng), and Smoke (Infernus). Yet we know that at least one dark world for Shadow should also exist due to the element's continued presence in this cycle.

I see 2 distinct possibilities for such a world:

1. The shadow realm (the name explains itself, though I'd find it odd if a previous revision's planehallens to be coterminous with all/most of those in this revision).
2. The Dragonkin homeworld. We know it survived the last cycle thanks to Forcae's journal, and we have good reason to suspect that it was one of the planes close to Freneskae during the last cycle (Mah's corruption taking place last cycle and its worsening kept her from preventing sapient life on some of the later planes) like the other dark worlds are said to have been.
With how shifty Jagex has been regarding shadow and how reluctant they are to give details on it, I think there may not have been any worlds made with the aspect of shadow, besides the shadow realm which may not have even been intentionally created given Stu's answers on twitter. Mods pls notice me

26-Sep-2017 15:56:18

Hguoh

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Gamez X said :
Well according to zaros's memories from fotg quest, the ilujanka planet iaia is one of the lower planes. Now while i dont think "shadow" when i look at this they do make a point of saying its sky is incredibly dark so you cant see any stars. This is the only other planet i know of thats stated to be one of the lower worlds and hence why i put in on my map the first time, though they dont seem to have used that planet at all in the stream

Its also possible iaia is the homeworld of the dragonkin. If the lower planes are remnants of the previous cycle then they might of survived. We already know the planet is home to 2 dragon-like creatures (the illujanka and the gurh) so its not a stretch to think there might be a 3rd which left the planet early on to follow jas's path

The lower planes themselves are not necessarily from the previous revision. The dark planes are lower planes that are from the previous revision and are focused on an element or elements from the previous revision. There are other lower planes that came from this revision and are identified as the elemental planes.

That being said, the fact that Iaia is a lower plane that appears fairly well balanced in comparison to other elemental planes (ex: Muspell) is a fair point in favor of it originating in the previous cycle. And the apparent rise of majority reptilian species on the plane is a fair point in favor of it being the Dragonkin's original home plane.

26-Sep-2017 15:57:12

Gamez X
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Hguoh, i'm interested in what you think of the idea i had on the previous page concerning the possible origin planet of xau tak. Was just something that came to mind by accident when rechecking all the lore of these new planets and trying to come up with models for them. But the more i think about it, the more sense it makes

26-Sep-2017 16:06:01

Hguoh

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Gamez X said :
Hguoh, i'm interested in what you think of the idea i had on the previous page concerning the possible origin planet of xau tak. Was just something that came to mind by accident when rechecking all the lore of these new planets and trying to come up with models for them. But the more i think about it, the more sense it makes

Oh, I like it. Though it does bring up the question of how/if Xau-tak ever ascended, and if it didn't how it got off Leng.

I'm personally in favor of Xau not being a god (just being similar in power to one, like the leviathans of the shadow realm are indicated to be) so that it can pose a more significant threat to us than the gods do. With everybody assuming it's a god, it would stir up some theorizing and confusion if Xau's able to do some notable harm to us without much effort (the only gods to do so have been Mah and Jas).

As for getting Xau off of Leng, perhaps it used the interplanar rift every plane visited by the elder gods this revision (Guthix specifies that there are some worlds he couldn't have reached without the blade, which seems to indicate to me that they hadn't been visited by the elder gods since the destruction of the previous Revision) seems to have (Daemonheim Rift/Schism). Alternatively, maybe what Xau is naturally or unnaturally (bestowed upon it by the elder gods, for example) can planeshift like the Dragonkin can.

26-Sep-2017 16:21:02

Mod Raven

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Gamez X said :
Aerak said :
...I'm confused. Infernus and Abbinah are both elemental planes of Smoke?

Neither of which make sense to me btw, because I was expecting Air for Abbinah and Shadow for Infernus.
I think theres a difference in the ancient element of smoke (from ancient spell book) and the conbination rune of smoke. Besides which i know for a fact when i made that image of a molten exposed core of abbinah raven said the planet isnt firey but instead very windy. So it isnt a planet of smoke rune at all, this was a mistake on their part

This is why i'm thinking they didnt really put in as much research as i did making that pic, alot of stuff they said doesnt make sense or add up. I need to get in touch with raven sometime and actually work this out with him

Abbinah being smoke is NOT a mistake on our part. ;)

Note that the nature of the runes refers more to the effect on the anima than a specific elemental make up of the world. It's more the flavour of that world's anima and the inherent effect that has on the life from that world.

Abbinah's core is not firey, this is correct, but the world is encompassed by a constant raging thunderstorm. The people on Abbinah are winged creatures, sure, but they're passionate and vibrant.

Not a mistake. ;)

= Raven =

27-Sep-2017 11:10:42

Hguoh

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So fire brings out passion in life forms and more violent/energetic natural events then?

Sounds like red color identity from the MtG trading card game. They tend to attribute electricity to red and red/blue color identities, with red also being closely associated with fire and blue being associated with sky and sea (water and air).

Beyond that, the animated TV series Avatar (the Last Air Bender and the Legend of Korra) considers electricity a purified version of fire.

Going back to the Killerwatt plane, this identifies the following possible runic combinations:

Fire
Fire/Water
Fire/Water/Air
Fire/Air

I'd also like to throw in a couple of combinations involving the chaos rune due to the nature of lightning (wild electricity):

Fire/Chaos
Fire/Water/Chaos
Fire/Water/Air/Chaos
Fire/Air/Chaos

Given its apparent simplicity compared to Abbinah, I'm hesitant to attribute it any combination that adds on to Abbinah's, so we can disregard Fire/Water/Air, Fire/Water/Air/Chaos, and Fire/Air/Chaos.

You've also brought up being hesitant to use fire, smoke, or steam since they don't really evoke thoughts of lightning in people, so I'll also knock out those combinations.

This leaves us with Fire/Chaos and Fire/Water/Chaos. Again appealing to the plane's apparent simplicity, I'd advocate Fire/Chaos over Fire/Water/Chaos. This reinforces the idea that lightning is a derivative of Fire, corroborating Mod Raven's claim that Abbinah's eternal thunderstorms are evidence of the plane's roots in Fire and not just Air.

As already mentioned, it's also possible that Lightning could be attributed to another runic element we don't know of.

27-Sep-2017 12:57:43

Hguoh

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I'd also like to offer up the possibility of the Killerwatt plane actually being Abbinah. Specifically a part of Abbinah inside the eternal thunderstorm (ex: an island coated in mist-like less dense cloud stuck within the storm by the denser clouds and howling winds around it). I feel like it works pretty well with what we already have established about the Killerwatt plane and Abbinah, and enables the potential expansion (bigger, nastier, tougher ones in/from other eternal storms) of Killerwatts on Abbinah at some point down the road.

I mean if lightning elementals come about anywhere, them coming about on a plane with an eternally raging thunderstorm makes a decent amount of sense.

27-Sep-2017 13:00:23 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2017 14:38:02 by Hguoh

Gamez X
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Mod Raven said :
Abbinah being smoke is NOT a mistake on our part. ;)

Note that the nature of the runes refers more to the effect on the anima than a specific elemental make up of the world. It's more the flavour of that world's anima and the inherent effect that has on the life from that world.

Abbinah's core is not firey, this is correct, but the world is encompassed by a constant raging thunderstorm. The people on Abbinah are winged creatures, sure, but they're passionate and vibrant.

Not a mistake. ;)

= Raven =

Ahh so that image of it being covered in giant hurricanes is still the correct one? What i was meaning by saying he had made a mistake was on stage he described it as a lava-y planet based on my picture, which was a contradiction to when you said its not lava like at all but instead the crater was filled with water. From what he said onstage it sounded like he had confirmed the image in my picture to now be the canon one. Honestly i prefer your idea of it being a hurricane planet more for the aviantse

I'll be putting together a thread with all my research/notes/questions sometime soon, would be great if you could clean up any quick queries there still are

27-Sep-2017 14:04:31 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2017 14:07:39 by Gamez X

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