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Zulkir

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Humans are very set in their ways. Saradomin may of forgotten his mortal life but those instincts stick with him, if he can't change his narrow world view then what hope is there for him? He cannot continue on as he is and we see no sign of this changing, even after what he did to Owen.

For his past actions, no redemption is possible. But self realization and doing what's best for the planet is. The best course of action for me would be if he leaves. He can't help but try and pick fights with gods, and as Zamorak has shown that doesn't end well for Gielinor or the one on the losing end.

I believe at this point he's too far gone to make any positive change for Gielinor, but Gielinor doesn't need him. He should return to New Domina and be content with what he has, rather than giving into the envy of what others have.
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18-Dec-2016 11:43:08 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 11:50:00 by Zulkir

Sepulchre
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If we could get him to stop being so god damn arrogant and blinded by self-righteousness, he'd probably be the 2nd best god worth following. Aside from y'know, Zaros. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

18-Dec-2016 13:28:29

Lego Miester
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The problem is I really want to redeem Saradomin , but I don't think being a blind sycophant is going to do it. Power corrupts, and it's only by being shown that he's not all powerful and immune to failure that he can be humbled enough to be reasoned with.

I just don't want Jagex to think me sometimes fighting against Saradomin is me wanting him dead. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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18-Dec-2016 17:03:55

Padomenes

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Summerleaf said :
Honestly, with today's update, I am only more convinced that he is a danger.

Whereas Armadyl is sitting on his tower, and only bringing a few of his bodyguards, and leaving his people be, Saradomin is literally training an army to take the Stone, by force, if need be. When you talk to him, he is convinced that he is the only one who can control the Stone, when, really, it should be used for knowledge, and nothing else. Sliske, it seems, is the only person who hasn't been corrupted by its power, and he's a complete mad mad. No, the Stone should be hidden from all the Gods, and, given the chance, I am killing Saradomin. He must face the consequences for genocide, murder of the innocent, and blatant fascism.

It will take a lot of work from Jagex to convince me that he is worth redeeming. Your logic: A person who lies and never admits to wrong of actions that tells you what you like to hear is 100x better than somebody who does. All of the gods have been at war and murdered innocents. You should think again before you blurt out your offensive and hurtful bs.

And you've just proven, Saradomin's faction is the most marginalized of all(Moreso than Bandos or Zamorak) and needs to receive 0 negative lore, only positive from now on. Only the other gods who have not had their turn should be given negative lore and at the same rate Saradomin including yours if necessary.

You are a member of one of the most advantaged factions in terms of lore, come back when you are not.

18-Dec-2016 17:49:42 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 18:39:35 by Padomenes

Zulkir

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Padomenes said :
Summerleaf said :
Honestly, with today's update, I am only more convinced that he is a danger.

Whereas Armadyl is sitting on his tower, and only bringing a few of his bodyguards, and leaving his people be, Saradomin is literally training an army to take the Stone, by force, if need be. When you talk to him, he is convinced that he is the only one who can control the Stone, when, really, it should be used for knowledge, and nothing else. Sliske, it seems, is the only person who hasn't been corrupted by its power, and he's a complete mad mad. No, the Stone should be hidden from all the Gods, and, given the chance, I am killing Saradomin. He must face the consequences for genocide, murder of the innocent, and blatant fascism.

It will take a lot of work from Jagex to convince me that he is worth redeeming. Your logic: A person who lies and never admits to wrong of actions that tells you what you like to hear is 100x better than somebody who does. All of the gods have been at war and murdered innocents except Seren.

And you've proven, Saradomin's faction is the most marginalized of all and needs to receive 0 negative lore, only positive from now on. Only the other gods who have not had their turn should be given negative lore and at the same rate Saradomin including yours if necessary.

Saradomin's faction will continue to receive the correct mix of both negative and positive lore as and when it becomes relevant to reveal such lore.

Come to terms with it.

Your cries of oppression only fall on deaf ears. Nobody is listening. Nobody is sympathetic. Nobody agrees.
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18-Dec-2016 17:56:25

Padomenes

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Zulkir said :
Padomenes said :
Summerleaf said :
Honestly, with today's update, I am only more convinced that he is a danger.

Whereas Armadyl is sitting on his tower, and only bringing a few of his bodyguards, and leaving his people be, Saradomin is literally training an army to take the Stone, by force, if need be. When you talk to him, he is convinced that he is the only one who can control the Stone, when, really, it should be used for knowledge, and nothing else. Sliske, it seems, is the only person who hasn't been corrupted by its power, and he's a complete mad mad. No, the Stone should be hidden from all the Gods, and, given the chance, I am killing Saradomin. He must face the consequences for genocide, murder of the innocent, and blatant fascism.

It will take a lot of work from Jagex to convince me that he is worth redeeming. Your logic: A person who lies and never admits to wrong of actions that tells you what you like to hear is 100x better than somebody who does. All of the gods have been at war and murdered innocents except Seren.

And you've proven, Saradomin's faction is the most marginalized of all and needs to receive 0 negative lore, only positive from now on. Only the other gods who have not had their turn should be given negative lore and at the same rate Saradomin including yours if necessary.

Saradomin's faction will continue to receive negative and no positive lore as and when it becomes profitable to reveal such lore.

Come to terms with it.

Your cries of reason only fall on deaf ears to us spoilt brats who lack understanding to listen, sympathise or agree. Fixed for you* The ones from the factions who receive no negative lore yeah, I've met plenty of critics of this fact.

You have no authority also to speak as a member of a faction that isn't even close to this position because you've got 0 understanding.

18-Dec-2016 17:59:10 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 18:07:43 by Padomenes

Mewzard
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Come on guys, while disagreeing is fine, please don't turn my topic into some personal back and forth.

I made this topic to have discussion on this issue that is beneficial to both sides, to see where both sides come from, and to maybe open eyes to why both sides feel the way they do so they go into the quest with open minds.

How people interpret Saradomin is actually an interesting point of discussion. Jagex always intended these additions to make him morally grey, yet many take it as a point to deem him irredeemably evil (even though many who write Saradomin feel different about him).

One poster on Reddit compared him to D&D Vecna and that they wouldn't change their mind about him no matter what, and I just thought "Isn't closing your mind here just pushing someone who could be good and even better into a narrow, dark path? Killing someone like this just stopping them from doing good if you were just a little willing to help that person be better?"

18-Dec-2016 18:29:14 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 18:33:06 by Mewzard

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