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Padomenes

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I am going to make sure also that neither Saradomin or Zamorak die fighting each other and go their own separate ways at best. Or have Zam leave at-worst, both seem to have a strong sense of values.

19-Dec-2016 04:51:28 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 04:53:43 by Padomenes

Ancient Drew

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~~KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!~~

Nah, Saradomin's alright.

He's not evil or anything like that. He's just a normal human being, which means he is essentially good underneath all that he did and what he preaches. He does mean well, but he needs to learn that there's more to life than good and evil. Redeem him, he'll learn. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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19-Dec-2016 09:06:57

Padomenes

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If all humans are essentially bad, the only good ones are those whom have a good heart atleast willing to use from the least to most questionable means to do what is right which are just survival traits when dealing with harshness/malice. The ones who use the more questionable are not bad, they are just misguided and need to be shown a better way that has been proven to them it can work. Plus better than the current strategy they feel must be necessary.

19-Dec-2016 10:50:30 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 10:51:45 by Padomenes

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ZAmorakZaros

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Padomenes said :
If all humans are essentially bad, the only good ones are those whom have a good heart atleast willing to use from the least to most questionable means to do what is right which are just survival traits when dealing with harshness/malice. The ones who use the more questionable are not bad, they are just misguided and need to be shown a better way that has been proven to them it can work. Plus better than the current strategy they feel must be necessary.
I actually agree. On the intention thing. Using negative actions trying to get to a good result is not evil. Just misguided. NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

19-Dec-2016 10:57:38

Ancient Drew

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Padomenes said :
If all humans are essentially bad, the only good ones are those whom have a good heart atleast willing to use from the least to most questionable means to do what is right which are just survival traits when dealing with harshness/malice. The ones who use the more questionable are not bad, they are just misguided and need to be shown a better way that has been proven to them it can work. Plus better than the current strategy they feel must be necessary.
I actually agree. On the intention thing. Using negative actions trying to get to a good result is not evil. Just misguided. It's probably just a product of his upbringing or of Teragard's culture. And you can't really blame him for that.

EDIT: It's also why I tried to destroy the wand. I felt that bringing Owen back wasn't the way, and as a human Saradomin would end up regretting more. But even then Owen being only half corrupted just comes to show that the blue man isn't a monster. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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19-Dec-2016 11:00:55 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 11:14:49 by Ancient Drew

Padomenes

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Ancient Drew said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Padomenes said :
If all humans are essentially bad, the only good ones are those whom have a good heart atleast willing to use from the least to most questionable means to do what is right which are just survival traits when dealing with harshness/malice. The ones who use the more questionable are not bad, they are just misguided and need to be shown a better way that has been proven to them it can work. Plus better than the current strategy they feel must be necessary.
I actually agree. On the intention thing. Using negative actions trying to get to a good result is not evil. Just misguided. It's probably just a product of his upbringing or of Teragard's culture. And you can't really blame him for that.

EDIT: It's also why I tried to destroy the wand. I felt that bringing Owen back wasn't the way, and as a human Saradomin would end up regretting more. But even then Owen being only half corrupted just comes to show that the blue man isn't a monster. It wasn't even "half". It was a quarter and yeah most likely. Saradomin has likely had an experience on Teragard which convinced him that everything will be alright if he makes the choices for others, but that its likely things will be out of control or mess up if others are allowed to decide for themselves on certain very important decisions.

"Since you are unlikely to make the right choice, I must do that for you." basically.

19-Dec-2016 11:58:51 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 12:01:27 by Padomenes

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2023

Mewzard

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Man...talking to Saradomin was quite the experience. Especially when dealing with some of the emotional stuff... (not a major spoiler for the new quest, but one nonetheless.

Man, you can see it in his face, when he mentions he can't even remember his parents' names or the color of his wife's eyes, and that any precious mementos of them have long become dust...

Damn...

19-Dec-2016 16:18:59

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2012

Lexius Leye

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Got to admit, being called "A clown in small shoes" by Big Blue got a chuckle out of me, but by far the most satisfying part of the Endgame was blowing my top over his childish antics with Zamorak. I get the feeling the World Guardian's been needing to vent for a while now. " When I give my word, I keep it ." -
the World Guardian

19-Dec-2016 19:35:29

Sothoth

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Someone that wiped out a whole planet of races besides the Icyene, deserves no redemption from me. His justifications were meaningless when that was presented to me.

Fear not the Abyss but the boundaries broken by it.

19-Dec-2016 20:06:33 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 20:07:03 by Sothoth

Padomenes

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We have the dialogue here of what Saradomin experienced under pressure that gave him the belief of knowing whats best for all in 'flaws': "I was a justicar on Teragard, one tasked with upholding and enforcing the law. I risked my life each day to preserve order and protect the innocent. At times the forces of avarice and corruption I fought against seemed insurmountable. Upholding the law was a tough yet noble duty, and my obsession. It took its toll on me, and my family, but my community thrived as a result."

Seen the countless rise and fall of civilizations, familiar with cycle and wants to stop it. "There is a pattern to the ascendance and collapse of civilisation. A cycle of tragedy. I have the knowledge to break this cycle, and most importantly the will to lead everyone forwards."

Headcannon confirmed, even Armadyl says that Saradomin does what he does because he just believes he knows what is best for everyone.

19-Dec-2016 20:47:35 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 21:19:38 by Padomenes

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