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Elder Minsc
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Padomenes said :
We have the dialogue here of what Saradomin experienced under pressure that gave him the belief of knowing whats best for all in 'flaws': "I was a justicar on Teragard, one tasked with upholding and enforcing the law. I risked my life each day to preserve order and protect the innocent. At times the forces of avarice and corruption I fought against seemed insurmountable. Upholding the law was a tough yet noble duty, and my obsession. It took its toll on me, and my family, but my community thrived as a result."

Seen the countless rise and fall of civilizations, familiar with cycle and wants to stop it. "There is a pattern to the ascendance and collapse of civilisation. A cycle of tragedy. I have the knowledge to break this cycle, and most importantly the will to lead everyone forwards."

Headcannon confirmed, even Armadyl says that Saradomin does what he does because he just believes he knows what is best for everyone.

As someone who is familar with the concept of lawful good. One of the most difficult struggles is juggling between the two alignments

20-Dec-2016 07:58:20

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Summerleaf said :
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Ancient Drew said :
Sothoth said :
Oh but he did, if you explored all of the options available he presented that view to you, quite explicitly.

When the scripts are available I'll fully transcribe as such.

Quoting Paladin's thread since apparently he fully transcribed the dialogue:

Under my 'control', people could thrive. Everyone would have the reassurance that they know where they belong and how they should behave. This people crave. Deep down everyone wants to know where they sit in the world. What you call control, I would argue is true freedom. Freedom to know how life should be lived and how to fulfill one's potential.
He does have a point though; there are people who get a sense of security from order. He's wrong when he says this applies to everyone, but there are those who have sheeplike tendencies.

Yes. But his objective is to impose such views upon everyone, not just those with tendencies..

In other words, Saradomin is the Donald Trump of this universe? More like a protective parent or sibling concerned for your safety/well-being according to Armadyl's implications. during his decision as a Justicar he was forced to survive by making very harsh decisions, it was an extremely dangerous occupation according to his recount. Facing corruption/baddies who seemed almost insurmountable. He became very used to making those kind of decisions from that experience, and felt in his personal approaches to issues that it was necessary + the only approach.

If you side with Saradomin he talks alot about the vision of a Utopia which shows his just as idealistic as Armadyl or more. But a different approach using what he learnt as a mortal on Teragard and life experiences.

20-Dec-2016 08:50:43 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2016 09:34:51 by Padomenes

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Elder Minsc said :
Padomenes said :
We have the dialogue here of what Saradomin experienced under pressure that gave him the belief of knowing whats best for all in 'flaws': "I was a justicar on Teragard, one tasked with upholding and enforcing the law. I risked my life each day to preserve order and protect the innocent. At times the forces of avarice and corruption I fought against seemed insurmountable. Upholding the law was a tough yet noble duty, and my obsession. It took its toll on me, and my family, but my community thrived as a result."

Seen the countless rise and fall of civilizations, familiar with cycle and wants to stop it. "There is a pattern to the ascendance and collapse of civilisation. A cycle of tragedy. I have the knowledge to break this cycle, and most importantly the will to lead everyone forwards."

Headcannon confirmed, even Armadyl says that Saradomin does what he does because he just believes he knows what is best for everyone.

As someone who is familar with the concept of lawful good. One of the most difficult struggles is juggling between the two alignments Plus also you've got to understand, this is according to Saradomin's life experiences. He talked about how his ways always worked, and in past experience others always eventually fell in the long term. So he stuck to them with strong belief of them working due to experiences, Saradomin has nothing against Seren or Armadyl but he believes their approaches to dealing with Chaos are "not fool-proof" unlike his and will inevitably succumb when their Order begins to fail.

The 'arrogance' flaw is because he feels insecure that other gods' ways will never work in the long-term against chaos from life experience.

20-Dec-2016 09:44:20 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2016 09:50:35 by Padomenes

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Padomenes said :
Saradomin has nothing against Seren or Armadyl but he believes their approaches to dealing with Chaos are "not fool-proof" unlike his and will inevitably succumb when their Order begins to fail.

I'm not so sure about this with latest quest. For some players, if you allowed it to transpire, Seren kidnapped Adrasteia from Saradomin (whom Zaros original captured but was captured again by Seren's forces) and made an Welsh-flavored elven pact with him to exchange her for the SoJ should Saradomin beat you in the race. Luckily Seren returned Adrasteia anyway since the SoJ was destroyed, but Saradomin will probably not forget the stunt Seren pulled.( If Seren wasnt even close to winning the race, it was Zaros who kidnapped her and made a demonic pact with Saradomin, and in the end Seren managed to recover and return her).

Player: "And your daughter? You have a daughter?"

Saradomin: "Yes she...she is all that really matters to me...she means everything to me. I wish she could see that. She is safe now, my beautiful Adrasteia. "

There are perhaps dozen of story lines this quest could play through. No one player has the same storyline as you. She was either captured by Zaros, never captured and never revealed because Saradomin never won the race, or recaptured by Seren from Zaros. This quest is filled with these alternating stories that happened or never happened >_<
I submissively obey Lady Seren's every whim and relish every waking moment willingly serving her. She is my mistress and I am nothing without her. I am without thought, self-awareness, and being without her. She is my everything.

20-Dec-2016 10:04:41

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There is one option if you didn't see in the quest regarding the stone in which he tells you about his vision, and you can convince him to change his approach a little by telling him that there are other ways to this utopia aside from this path or something. He did infact listen and take it into account during that moment of his mood.

What would it mean if I got greeted by Linza, Saradomin, Seren then Icthlarin at the end of the quest anyway? I missed two-three cutscenes with 1 or 2 involving Armadyl because of the misclicks. Do maze cutscene choices affect the outcome of the story?

20-Dec-2016 10:11:31 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2016 10:17:36 by Padomenes

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