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Sepulchre
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Ancient Drew said :
Sepulchre said :
Wasn't there mention a while back from Osborne that there was actually a being above the Elder Gods? Or that at the very least, they had some form of creator? A creator who would most likely be considered above them anyway, I guess...

Still. I wonder if that will ever come into play. It does raise that age-old question though.. The Elder Gods created us... where did they come from? A single, more powerful entity who created a whole race of them... okay where'd he come from?? etc. It's probably trolling. J-Mods need to have fun too. Besides, if it was true it would make the whole story seem silly. If it were Raven I'd agree with you. It was Osborne though....

Besides.. that still makes me wonder... Where did the Elder Gods come from? A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

08-Jun-2016 09:10:25

Zulkir

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Sepulchre said :
Ancient Drew said :
Sepulchre said :
Wasn't there mention a while back from Osborne that there was actually a being above the Elder Gods? Or that at the very least, they had some form of creator? A creator who would most likely be considered above them anyway, I guess...

Still. I wonder if that will ever come into play. It does raise that age-old question though.. The Elder Gods created us... where did they come from? A single, more powerful entity who created a whole race of them... okay where'd he come from?? etc. It's probably trolling. J-Mods need to have fun too. Besides, if it was true it would make the whole story seem silly. If it were Raven I'd agree with you. It was Osborne though....

Besides.. that still makes me wonder... Where did the Elder Gods come from?

You sure do like to act ominous when you ask questions we already know the answers too :P
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08-Jun-2016 13:48:34

AesirWarrior
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IIRC it wasn't stated that there's necessarily some kind of deity above them, just that they themselves were created and hadn't always existed or anything. That could just have been referring to the whole rebirth thing, which could have been going on for all infinity for all we know. It's also possible they were created by some sort of primordial force, like chaos, and not a sentient being. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
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08-Jun-2016 13:50:18

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In regards to the comic book argument on the previous page-

While one superhero might be cleaning up urban crime and another might be stopping universe-devouring eldritch gods, the hero who stopped Galactus one week isn't going to be nabbing purse snatchers the next.

Power creep and relevant stakes are an issue because WE are the only hero. And there's no path, not even a guideline, for us to follow. So, well written storylines with excellent assets and compelling characters risk getting dismissed by players who've already defeated the makers and destroyers of the universe.

I remember I had an idea on Runelabs that generated a fair bit of discussion (mostly about how weird an idea it was). The gist is this: We implement a new quest that's a requirement for most post-6th Age content (the same way MPD is required for most 6th Age quests). In this quest, our veteran adventurer takes on an apprentice, trains them through some misadventures, etc.

Afterwards, we have a cosmetic "2nd character" slot, with its own unique name and appearance, but access to all our skills and achievements. This apprentice character, lorefully a novice adventurer, does any new questlines set after the 6th Age clash of gods.

Typing it up again, I can see how it's pretty convoluted. But, short of introducing a fresh and inexperienced adventurer, I'm not sure how the storytellers at Jagex will deal with players' heightened expectations.

08-Jun-2016 17:29:16

Ancient Drew

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Zulkir said :
Sepulchre said :
Ancient Drew said :
Sepulchre said :
Wasn't there mention a while back from Osborne that there was actually a being above the Elder Gods? Or that at the very least, they had some form of creator? A creator who would most likely be considered above them anyway, I guess...

Still. I wonder if that will ever come into play. It does raise that age-old question though.. The Elder Gods created us... where did they come from? A single, more powerful entity who created a whole race of them... okay where'd he come from?? etc. It's probably trolling. J-Mods need to have fun too. Besides, if it was true it would make the whole story seem silly. If it were Raven I'd agree with you. It was Osborne though....

Besides.. that still makes me wonder... Where did the Elder Gods come from?

You sure do like to act ominous when you ask questions we already know the answers too :P All praise the Eldererererererererererererererererererrerererererererererererererererererererer *inhale* erererererererererererer god to whom Jas is a tiny amoeba. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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08-Jun-2016 17:40:25

Sepulchre
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Ancient Drew said :
Zulkir said :
Sepulchre said :
Ancient Drew said :
Sepulchre said :
Wasn't there mention a while back from Osborne that there was actually a being above the Elder Gods? Or that at the very least, they had some form of creator? A creator who would most likely be considered above them anyway, I guess...

Still. I wonder if that will ever come into play. It does raise that age-old question though.. The Elder Gods created us... where did they come from? A single, more powerful entity who created a whole race of them... okay where'd he come from?? etc. It's probably trolling. J-Mods need to have fun too. Besides, if it was true it would make the whole story seem silly. If it were Raven I'd agree with you. It was Osborne though....

Besides.. that still makes me wonder... Where did the Elder Gods come from?

You sure do like to act ominous when you ask questions we already know the answers too :P All praise the Eldererererererererererererererererererrerererererererererererererererererererer *inhale* erererererererererererer god to whom Jas is a tiny amoeba. Plot Twist: The Gower brothers are not only Cabbagemancers, but also the Elder Elder Gods. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

09-Jun-2016 06:29:26

Hexie Kazumi
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Rondstat said :
In regards to the comic book argument on the previous page-

While one superhero might be cleaning up urban crime and another might be stopping universe-devouring eldritch gods, the hero who stopped Galactus one week isn't going to be nabbing purse snatchers the next.

Power creep and relevant stakes are an issue because WE are the only hero. And there's no path, not even a guideline, for us to follow. So, well written storylines with excellent assets and compelling characters risk getting dismissed by players who've already defeated the makers and destroyers of the universe.

I remember I had an idea on Runelabs that generated a fair bit of discussion (mostly about how weird an idea it was). The gist is this: We implement a new quest that's a requirement for most post-6th Age content (the same way MPD is required for most 6th Age quests). In this quest, our veteran adventurer takes on an apprentice, trains them through some misadventures, etc.

Afterwards, we have a cosmetic "2nd character" slot, with its own unique name and appearance, but access to all our skills and achievements. This apprentice character, lorefully a novice adventurer, does any new questlines set after the 6th Age clash of gods.

Typing it up again, I can see how it's pretty convoluted. But, short of introducing a fresh and inexperienced adventurer, I'm not sure how the storytellers at Jagex will deal with players' heightened expectations.

That's the point. What do purse snatchers matter to anyone after we beat the Elder Gods? Where before a purse snatching quest might be perfectly acceptable, in the wake of stuff that big, it seems silly.

09-Jun-2016 18:06:33

Solanumtinkr

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The Elders will always be there, they may take some interest, and maybe just maybe that purse snatcher needs stomping on for reasons other than a stolen purse.

Maybe someone would be trying to create so many fires that we misss the buring building. Keeping us busy to get away with ther own dastedly plot. It would pretty much suck to end up in dire straights due to ignoring a single purse snatcher, wouldn't it? The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
Poke monsters with a sharp stick, Then steal anything that isn't nailed down!
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09-Jun-2016 18:22:03 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2016 06:01:51 by Solanumtinkr

Sepulchre
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It also depends on what's in the purse.

What if it's an Elder Artifact? That purse snatcher just unlocked potential godhood. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

10-Jun-2016 05:21:36

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