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Wahisietel
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Would it maybe help if "R" was changed to "Renna*d"?

There are no lorefails in the new version, the old/current version on the other hand completely contradicted Captain Dulcin's journal with its portrayal of the early Kinshra ;/.

And no, the old/current version didn't have great storytelling. To put things mildly, it was a boring simple timeline of events, and would completely fail to capture the attention of non-lorehounds. The updated version actually has EMOTION behind it, and that makes it a much more enjoyable read.
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13-Apr-2015 20:35:17 - Last edited on 13-Apr-2015 20:38:06 by Wahisietel

Jakir

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Great is a relative term and to me the original was great but highly biased. You can't argue against relativity; personal opinions are personal.

Captain Dulcin was an extremist narcissist. His journal clearly fits his view of the world and how his brain would have perceived things. That doesn't mean the rest of the world would view the events as such.

As for interest in the book that is clearly a result of it being added months after the quest and without much announcement, also the fact it is a book that doesn't unlock combat abilities so no none lorehound would bother going out of their way to get it in the first place and many probably don't even know it exists because of how it was released.

13-Apr-2015 21:01:45

Mod Stu

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Hi, guys. This thread hasn't seen action since mid-April, so it looks like you've reached an impasse.

Doesn't look like you've yet to agree on a list of edits you'd like made to the existing History of the Kinshra text.

Shall I unsticky this thread?

02-Jul-2015 11:19:21

sir eos lee

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Mod Stu said :
Hi, guys. This thread hasn't seen action since mid-April, so it looks like you've reached an impasse.

Doesn't look like you've yet to agree on a list of edits you'd like made to the existing History of the Kinshra text.

Shall I unsticky this thread?


*shrugs*
may as well. I never really had a problem with it.

02-Jul-2015 19:04:51

William Witt
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Hey, guys. So, I've heard how the upcoming Falador update is coming with a vs event between the two orders, with lore on Raddallin and the city's history. I hope that isn't going to draw from the current ingame version of the book, as I for one still do want this changed.

So - Let's finally get around to that impasse.
Jakir said :
Great is a relative term and to me the original was great but highly biased. You can't argue against relativity; personal opinions are personal.

Captain Dulcin was an extremist narcissist. His journal clearly fits his view of the world and how his brain would have perceived things. That doesn't mean the rest of the world would view the events as such.

As for interest in the book that is clearly a result of it being added months after the quest and without much announcement, also the fact it is a book that doesn't unlock combat abilities so no none lorehound would bother going out of their way to get it in the first place and many probably don't even know it exists because of how it was released.

Hey, Wolfie** :)

**: Your point on the journal, Lens*g backs it up in her part of the journal - How Dulcin's death marks the end of Shadwell's ways, or something. Plus, Mod Stu once said how Dulcin follows the old ways of his family. I suggest the quest was originally trying to show Daquarius as heralding a new era for the Kinshra. (I said this already months ago, but you have a life - So just refreshing your memory. :P )

On the thing about interest in the book, I don't think Wahi was referring to the visible response it got - He was of the opinion that people not into lore like us would find it boring. Personally, I think he's probably right...
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01-Sep-2015 17:53:13

Hazeel

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Yeeeeaaahhh...I doubt they're going to rewrite the event this late in the junction. Either way, basing it on the new version of the book would be boring. It's way too black and white and paints the Kinshra as completely evil with no hope of redemption. I'll admit the current one has some issues too, but the new one reads like a fanfiction. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Sep-2015 18:28:31

William Witt
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Hazeel said :
Yeeeeaaahhh...I doubt they're going to rewrite the event this late in the junction. Either way, basing it on the new version of the book would be boring. It's way too black and white and paints the Kinshra as completely evil with no hope of redemption. I'll admit the current one has some issues too, but the new one reads like a fanfiction.


Depends on how far they are in the event, I guess, and just how much lore it features anyway. It would be great if it turns out they aren't using the book at all, of course.

But anyway... The proposed version here has ways it can tie in to the event. I thought of the idea of Lord Valzin having given Raddallin the artifacts mentioned in the event. This could give the Kinshra further incentive to capture these items, now that they know they may be real - They may consider them to rightfully be theirs.

No hope of redemption, though? Remember what the writer was trying to do... (Speaking of the writer, you mentioned before that that one part near the end came across as whiny and childish. Any thoughts on making it more palatable?)
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02-Sep-2015 19:36:56

Hazeel

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It just sounds unprofessional and writing, so some rewording might help, but the most glaring issue is how little sense it makes. Now if the Kinshra was once a noble organization that people aspired too and looked up to as heroes, it'd make sense for them to join now and be disappointed that it's fallen so far. It'd also add to their desire to want to rebuild it to its former glory.

But as it is...it's like joining the *** and being disappointed because it's filled with nasty, mean spirited racists, but instead of leaving, you try to find a way to fix it and make it better. It's just illogical.
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02-Sep-2015 20:06:06

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