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DoogleHallow said :
Iirc it was named after Queen Efarity Hallow, so that means it was under Icyenic control at the time, Ascertes was kidnapped then, Safalaan is 6000 years old, the whole shizzam. Ima go double check.

1. Correct.

2. We only know that when it was called Hallowvale it was under her control. It could very well have had another name beforehand.

3. Ascertes was kidnapped about 800 years after Efaritay's rule began, if the history books in the Paterdomus library are still canon (and I hope they are).

4. We don't know how old Safalaan is, only that he must be younger than his mother.

Vertida told us that 'we believe' the Icyene came to Hallowvale 'centuries' (not millenia) ago in order to fight the Vampyres . This suggests that:

A) The Icyene have been there for less than a millenium, or they haven't been present in Morytania for a long time and then returned less than a thousand years ago. Why say centuries and not 'several thousand years ago' otherwise?

B) They came in response to a Vampyric invasion, rather than being the subject of it, at least initially.

I don't believe that Mod Ana has written the script awkwardly so as to confuse the facts. I think that she knew exactly what was going on then. I suppose it's possible that Jagex has changed the timeline since then, but I see no proof of that just yet.

18-Mar-2014 22:01:54 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2014 22:03:32 by [#TWA99I4ZX]

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Heres all the vampyre information from Fate of the Gods. Needless to say, but

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SPOILERS FOR FATE OF THE GODS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ok, so Vampyres were the second race Zaros discovered after leaving Freneskae, after the demons. This means that Vamprium is somewhere above the Infernal Dimensions, however they are lower down than the elemental planes such as Teregard (Gielinor is at the top and Fresneskae is at the bottom, in a sort of whisk shape where it branches off in four directions and then reconvenes at the top).They were originally pack hunters with an inherent bloodthirsty nature until he introduced a society to them, leading to bitter feuds until a single aristocracy rose above all else, who still stand to this day - The Drakans. They, along with the Cthonian and Avernian demons, were his only followers upon reaching Gielinor.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~END OF SPOLERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, there we go. ACTUAL VAMPYRE LORE!!

24-Mar-2014 19:49:58

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Ahem, X Pur3...

"One such tale is of a Queen from a far away land of considerable power and revered by the peoples. It is also claimed that the peoples named the land 'Hallowvale' after her, though there is no true record of this." - Histories of the Hallowland (Battered tome)
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05-Apr-2014 21:24:28

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*punches way outta questing training spree*

Right. Just did Fate of the Gods. Totally worth the effort of going through the mahjarrat memories and divination training even though we didn't get much in the way of vampyre lore.

Ok, so Vampyres were the second race Zaros discovered after leaving Freneskae, after the demons. This means that Vamprium is somewhere above the Infernal Dimensions, however they are lower down than the elemental planes such as Teregard (Gielinor is at the top and Fresneskae is at the bottom, in a sort of whisk shape where it branches off in four directions and then reconvenes at the top).
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I think I missed part of that somehow. I saw when he mentioned finding the vampyres, but when was the general shape of the cosmos (for lack of a better word) even alluded to?

They were originally pack hunters with an inherent bloodthirsty nature until he introduced a society to them, leading to bitter feuds until a single aristocracy rose above all else, who still stand to this day - The Drakans. They, along with the Cthonian and Avernian demons, were his only followers upon reaching Gielinor.
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True, but to add to that, Zaros also didn't specifically mention that the Drakans were the aristocracy. It just said that one rose up after a bloody civil war.

Not saying that they aren't part of it though. Idk what happened in that war, but they obviously came out with something from it if they're able to stay in charge of what we've seen of the race this far, but we also don't know if there were other 'families' that have more power than them back on vampyrium at the moment.

Also mentioned: Vampyres have the capacity for 'good' and ill, but they're also driven by their instincts and blood thirst, which can override their more rational sides. I think that might actually mean something somewhere down the line, but idk what yet. Or it could just explain why we met some relatively friendly vyres in darkmeyer so far. I'm not sure.
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10-Apr-2014 05:23:40

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The shape of the Universe was alluded to when he said that the lower planes branched out into four paths, one for each elders. These paths then reconvened with more perfect creations ending with Runescape. "We call it being a hero"
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10-Apr-2014 12:34:02

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Was it ever mentioned whether the place-names in the texts are currently in need of revision? If not, we could date these texts indirectly by studying the connections between place-names and periods of time in which these names were commonly used to find out when they were written. The benefits of linguistic archaeology! :)

For example, Sialathin's letter says this:

"I will be there with haste, and with Saradomin's blessings we shall make our way out of Hallowvale westwards over the Salve towards Misthalin and hopefully into the arms of our brethen. I also offer up a prayer to Saradomin that he may help Queen Efaritay in her hour of need and somehow fight these beasts back to the dead place from where they came."

Unless I'm mistaken, the name "Misthalin" only came into circulation when the Kingdom of Misthalin was formed in the early 4th age. Before this, we don't actually know whether the land was named something else or not.

So, we can deduce that Drakan hadn't overrun the town that is now Burgh de Rott which still stood defiantly against him by the 4th age.

Either that, or it's a fail on Jagex's part and this reference to "Misthalin" needs to be excluded.

Or I'm wrong and "Misthalin" was a place-name commonly used prior to its existence as a kingdom.

11-Apr-2014 19:33:53 - Last edited on 11-Apr-2014 20:02:52 by Athrenn

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On the topic of flawed texts, there's a reference to Port Phasmatys made by Seergaze (so around 1100-1200 4th age) in the Battered Time. In this reference, the town is already inhabited by ghosts by the mid-fourth age.

Quote: "...for this to occur, one should supplement a common potion of bodily restoration with the essence of garlic and silver dust, the later being gained by the use of a strange machine in the tower to the north east of Morytania and in the hands of some ghostly beings ."

But unless Phasmatys was a city within the Kingdom of Hallowland this makes no sense; Misthalinian settlers only began to re-settle Morytania in 1777, 500 years after Seergaze's death.

If Phasmatys is 4th age content, this makes the old crone east of Viggora's folly either extremely old or a lore fail since she's supposedly Necrovarus's former apprentice from when he was a human, thus prior to the mid-fourth age according to the Tome.

Obviously, Morytanua needs its timeline straightened out. However, I'd suggest that making Phasmatys 4th age makes a lot of sense. It could have been Hallowvale's major port in its prime and gotten rich from trade with both the East and with Hallowvale.

Some human settlers, like the farmers west of town, could have settled post 1777 next to a town of ghosts, thus why Alice is still alive but her husband is a ghost.

However, the crone doesn't fit into this timeline if we assume that she's human.

Like I said, Morytania needs its timeline straightened out.

11-Apr-2014 19:50:59 - Last edited on 11-Apr-2014 19:53:51 by Athrenn

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It is now that i arrive, without apparent ablating from realms i have and am delving inside. Only a moment's breeze i am able to burst into this sleeve, for so long i've directed mi powers over more imminent matters--which i seemingly am doing even now! Lots of scrolls not very well sorted by the squirrels but here goes what not-

Drakkalord not invade the westerns fer reason most stagnant, which is dey arst doin just fine in deir mansions but have been too fatty wif em supplies and nao runnin low on sacks, needin ever more very much direly! Notta wai of eir goodie doer Zammy to melt much either, say... But something relevant? Drezzie ain't dat holy afta allie--nor his humble teamensch guv Aeowhoeveragain. Eon seems valid number for this fella's mental oldiness, yet in so young body? Oh curiousities! But now now now we hassa third slice to bash out ere actually, dis is bout the region ownership rattle in morytanian lands. It indeed was lush and hallowed so to say in looks, but nothin to do wif actual holiness of any other elder magicks as surely meant to, eh. This jolly land was found by emptian bloodsuckas and later by em all heavenly flappers to try conquer which seemingly they did--for a short while before turn or two of events wherein they took their slice offered by hairy-faced mahjarraty, surely who not if Zammy. Should da hairral see how much progression dey has der nowadais, oh...

Hnnnngh, such a grievance but yet am i able to drop the remaining minority informations around, hmm-

Oh yes more to come lemme see......is it just who this so suicidical fella we've never seen? Is it one of only legit uns of the myreteam or wot, beyond mi urges.

Deg? Seems as legit as my wi--hair. And emptiness filled with lovely feelings? Bahhuh! Merely a stir of such has da sackman learnt from the fiery feline eh? Yep, not much o' knoledge fer deeper feels rly if ya ask me, no.

And now with sinister breeze aheading me i must back off again from this glorious dimension, avast.

13-Apr-2014 23:42:52

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