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A Mighty

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My problem with the Godless is that they only see 2 groups of individuals: gods and mortals. There are many problems with this. First, there are beings who seem to fall into a gray area between the two (such as the World Guardian ourself!) Also, they seem to be fine with destruction of environments, anima, etc. as long as it isn't being done in the name of a god.

Not to mention their task is nigh impossible. If they did manage to somehow kill all the gods, it would hardly remove their influence. If anything, their followers would be more inclined to sacrifice themselves for their cause, and if the Godless were directly responsible for the killings of a god, the followers would target the Godless. And if they killed multiple gods, I could see a temporary alliance of the remaining members of the deceased gods' factions to eliminate the Godless, who do not have the resources nor the manpower to survive such an assault.

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04-Sep-2016 23:13:59

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2013

Fat N Wacky

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Haven't had much time to reply yet, but I have been reading the replies (which, by the way, have been far friendlier than the ones I got on Reddit... thank you for not being jerks).

A Mighty said :
My problem with the Godless is that they only see 2 groups of individuals: gods and mortals. There are many problems with this. First, there are beings who seem to fall into a gray area between the two (such as the World Guardian ourself!) Also, they seem to be fine with destruction of environments, anima, etc. as long as it isn't being done in the name of a god.

Not to mention their task is nigh impossible. If they did manage to somehow kill all the gods, it would hardly remove their influence. If anything, their followers would be more inclined to sacrifice themselves for their cause, and if the Godless were directly responsible for the killings of a god, the followers would target the Godless. And if they killed multiple gods, I could see a temporary alliance of the remaining members of the deceased gods' factions to eliminate the Godless, who do not have the resources nor the manpower to survive such an assault.

Good points. Anyone care to tackle them?

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05-Sep-2016 04:46:17

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2018

Quael

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Lord Bhaal said :
God's can't be taken down so easily, except by other God's or extremely skilled mortals armed with godslaying weapons ( wich aren't easy to come by ).

An extremely skilled mortal can still be taken down by other skilled mortals, look at Drakan, Nomad or Lucien for example.
Extremely powerfull, but taken down nonetheless.

Draken we had an group fight it. Nomad, yeah we did beat him. Lucien, the Dragonkin who were more powerful and in number killed him.

Overall Nomad is the only one I can agree with, as he was powerful and very skilled.

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05-Sep-2016 05:59:28

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2018

Quael

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A Mighty said :
My problem with the Godless is that they only see 2 groups of individuals: gods and mortals. There are many problems with this. First, there are beings who seem to fall into a gray area between the two (such as the World Guardian ourself!) Also, they seem to be fine with destruction of environments, anima, etc. as long as it isn't being done in the name of a god.

Not to mention their task is nigh impossible. If they did manage to somehow kill all the gods, it would hardly remove their influence. If anything, their followers would be more inclined to sacrifice themselves for their cause, and if the Godless were directly responsible for the killings of a god, the followers would target the Godless. And if they killed multiple gods, I could see a temporary alliance of the remaining members of the deceased gods' factions to eliminate the Godless, who do not have the resources nor the manpower to survive such an assault.

They are not Ok with Anima destruction, proof is them fighting Tuska to help Vorago defeat her, their view on Zamorak vs Saradomin, where did you get that idea?. They don't want to kill all the gods, just remove them from Gielinor, some think killing is an option, another think a more peaceful route. Plus it's been four years, I am sure they have the manpower and resources not to withstand a good number of men.

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05-Sep-2016 06:01:17 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2016 06:04:44 by Quael

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AesirWarrior

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Quael said :
the Dragonkin who were more powerful and in number killed him. .

Honestly, I'm not sure if the dragonkin really were more powerful than Lucien. He was holding them off pretty well until whatshisface smacks him in the face with The Staff of Armadyl. They might not have been able to kill him without it. -

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05-Sep-2016 08:18:14

iXavior

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The Godless' mission will always be just a dream. Guthix has tried to get rid of all the gods once. He has failed. As long as loyal followers remain on Gielinor, no god can stay banished forever. When Guthix first banished all the gods, he underestimated the faith and loyalty of their followers. He thought after a few centuries, everyone would forget about them and become "Godless." But nooo... It just made everyone mad and they ultimately barged into his door to kill him.

Even if you hypothetically killed every god and, say, erased everyones minds of gods ever existing, it is human nature to worship something of a higher power/status than us. We need something to make us feel comfort...something to lean our backs on. Something to wake up for and give us hope. That is why we invent dumb stuff like santa claus, the tooth fairy, and Him. They are placebos to make us feel good. Without gods and their false propaganda, I fear for the mental health of the population. If the godless do exceed in their mission, who is to say, in generations to come, Kara-Meir won't be looked up to as a god herself? She could die as a martyr and be written in some book by some crazy fanatics proclaiming her to be some pseudo-god— like Iban. There are too many ways I can see this go wrong. I worship Mah, for she is mah homegirl! The correct adjective for Mah's followers are: Mahomies, Mah-homeboys, or Mah-homegirls.

05-Sep-2016 10:12:18 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2016 10:18:47 by iXavior

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2005

Wahisietel

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Captain Lime said :

My biggest beef with the Godless right now is that they're okay with the likes of Vorago, and possibly Telos. Doesn't that completely go against their message? That the weak, when together, are able to overwhelm the strong and take back the world? That's why we need a godless quest (and I'd love to pair them off against the Order of Ascension).

They're okay with Vorago because as few as two or three people are able to fight him and WIN routinely. If he was ever a danger to Gielinor, a group of mortals could defeat him for good with the Maul of Omens, just as happened in the past. So that's nowhere near the level of a god. Telos isn't really doing anything so I doubt the Godless care about him for the time being.

And who cares if mortals get worshipped as gods by some? As long as they aren't WalkingWMDs as AesirWarrior so eloquently put it, they aren't really much of a danger. They'll die eventually. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

05-Sep-2016 13:52:38 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2016 13:55:04 by Wahisietel

Maiden China

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you will note that the player character is the most overpowered thing in the game and this guy can take on 5 of them at once
also... this is practice for him... he literally has the only weapon that can easily 'kill' him stored right on his body for easy access... he's not going to be doing that in a real fight

also... pvm difficulty doesn't really have much bearing on lore difficulty

are the legios mortal? I kind of doubt it. Vampyres and Mahjarrat aren't that mortal either... these people aren't going to die eventually... or well, they will, but not in anyone's lifetime Carn

05-Sep-2016 14:56:10

Ancient Drew

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The Godless do have good bits to them, but unfortunately they have influence from the worse parts of their faction, like every other faction seems to. In this case, Kara-Meir has shown herself to be a wannabe god who wants to kill anything that has a pulse let alone divinity, yet didn't even take on anyone in the BoL (who sees her getting excommunicated by Biehn? I do, I do!!! <3).

Even Holstein has nothing but bad things to say about all the other factions, even talking crap about Prifddinas and Guthix, whose philosophies his own faction has been based on. Has it even occurred to him to study into things before slagging it off?

Garlandia, on the other hand, sees a more diplomatic way of doing things. Like calmly trying to say that she doesn't want to wage war (and unfortunately getting her wings torn off), and disagreeing with Kara-Meir's hardline approach to things. Biehn seems the diplomatic type as well, so the Godless isn't all we're-mortal-so-we-have-to-kill-anything-stronger-than-us-because-we're-neo-Bandosians, or wannabe gods trying to prove themselves. I can see the Godless being well shot of Kara-Meir just as much as the Zarosians were shot of Sliske. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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05-Sep-2016 15:21:48

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2018

Quael

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Ancient Drew said :
Even Holstein has nothing but bad things to say about all the other factions, even talking crap about Prifddinas and Guthix, whose philosophies his own faction has been based on. Has it even occurred to him to study into things before slagging it off?

Where does it say he spoke crappy about Guthix? Sure him speaking about Prifddinas would be an understandable thing, remember he was a traveler, he had seen what happened to it before the city was reformed, he saw a wall, with nothing there. He didn't speak crappy about Guthix at all.

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05-Sep-2016 15:53:10

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