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Ancient Drew

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Quael said :
Ancient Drew said :
Even Holstein has nothing but bad things to say about all the other factions, even talking crap about Prifddinas and Guthix, whose philosophies his own faction has been based on. Has it even occurred to him to study into things before slagging it off?

Where does it say he spoke crappy about Guthix? Sure him speaking about Prifddinas would be an understandable thing, remember he was a traveler, he had seen what happened to it before the city was reformed, he saw a wall, with nothing there. He didn't speak crappy about Guthix at all. Sorry, my mistake. Though I would bet there were a couple of people who were disgruntled with Guthix as well. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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05-Sep-2016 16:02:36

Quael
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Ancient Drew said :
Quael said :
Ancient Drew said :
Even Holstein has nothing but bad things to say about all the other factions, even talking crap about Prifddinas and Guthix, whose philosophies his own faction has been based on. Has it even occurred to him to study into things before slagging it off?

Where does it say he spoke crappy about Guthix? Sure him speaking about Prifddinas would be an understandable thing, remember he was a traveler, he had seen what happened to it before the city was reformed, he saw a wall, with nothing there. He didn't speak crappy about Guthix at all. Sorry, my mistake. Though I would bet there were a couple of people who were disgruntled with Guthix as well.

Probably would be for the fact that he slept instead of actually dealin with teh Gods, During the battle of Lumbridge, Kara-Meir did show respect towards Guthix.
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05-Sep-2016 16:37:19

Maiden China

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Quael said :
Lord Bhaal said :
God's can't be taken down so easily, except by other God's or extremely skilled mortals armed with godslaying weapons ( wich aren't easy to come by ).

An extremely skilled mortal can still be taken down by other skilled mortals, look at Drakan, Nomad or Lucien for example.
Extremely powerfull, but taken down nonetheless.

Draken we had an group fight it. Nomad, yeah we did beat him. Lucien, the Dragonkin who were more powerful and in number killed him.

Overall Nomad is the only one I can agree with, as he was powerful and very skilled. the dragonkin might say they're more powerful than lucien, but that's not what you see in that fight... you see lucien taking down two dragonkin with ease before a third shows up out of nowhere and bashes him over the head with an elder artefact
at that moment I wouldnt doubt lucien was stronger than the average god... which would have been temporary ofcourse(and was) like the player's power after touching the stone. before tww you gain a lot of power at the moment you do it which quickly drains away and then leaves you with a much smaller permanent power boost
and lucien wasnt just touching the stone briefly, he was consciously absorbing a massive amount of power from it Carn

05-Sep-2016 17:45:01

Quael
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Maiden China said :
Quael said :
Lord Bhaal said :
God's can't be taken down so easily, except by other God's or extremely skilled mortals armed with godslaying weapons ( wich aren't easy to come by ).

An extremely skilled mortal can still be taken down by other skilled mortals, look at Drakan, Nomad or Lucien for example.
Extremely powerfull, but taken down nonetheless.

Draken we had an group fight it. Nomad, yeah we did beat him. Lucien, the Dragonkin who were more powerful and in number killed him.

Overall Nomad is the only one I can agree with, as he was powerful and very skilled. the dragonkin might say they're more powerful than lucien, but that's not what you see in that fight... you see lucien taking down two dragonkin with ease before a third shows up out of nowhere and bashes him over the head with an elder artefact
at that moment I wouldnt doubt lucien was stronger than the average god... which would have been temporary ofcourse(and was) like the player's power after touching the stone. before tww you gain a lot of power at the moment you do it which quickly drains away and then leaves you with a much smaller permanent power boost
and lucien wasnt just touching the stone briefly, he was consciously absorbing a massive amount of power from it

I also said in numbers but over all They are powerful, even we can't really fight against them properly without help.
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05-Sep-2016 22:06:56

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Lord Bhaal said :
God's can't be taken down so easily, except by other God's or extremely skilled mortals armed with godslaying weapons ( wich aren't easy to come by ).

An extremely skilled mortal can still be taken down by other skilled mortals, look at Drakan, Nomad or Lucien for example.
Extremely powerfull, but taken down nonetheless. Yeah, and who took down 2/3 of those "extremely powerful mortals?" practically single-handedly? A
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06-Sep-2016 05:07:11

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The Godless aren't entirely wrong. We don't need an iron-fisted ruler, we don't need a forced system of Justice, we don't need to be forced into Order or give into Chaos.

What we need is somebody to help us Control our own Fates. A guiding light that allows us to choose our own path, but shows us which path they believe will benefit us the most. To be the best us that we can be, to live our own lives to the fullest of our potential. A
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06-Sep-2016 05:13:17

Quael
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Sepulchre said :
The Godless aren't entirely wrong. We don't need an iron-fisted ruler, we don't need a forced system of Justice, we don't need to be forced into Order or give into Chaos.

What we need is somebody to help us Control our own Fates. A guiding light that allows us to choose our own path, but shows us which path they believe will benefit us the most. To be the best us that we can be, to live our own lives to the fullest of our potential.

We don't need help to control on own fate.
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06-Sep-2016 19:33:35

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Lord Bhaal said :
God's can't be taken down so easily, except by other God's or extremely skilled mortals armed with godslaying weapons ( wich aren't easy to come by ).

An extremely skilled mortal can still be taken down by other skilled mortals, look at Drakan, Nomad or Lucien for example.
Extremely powerfull, but taken down nonetheless.

In most cases, I agree with this. However, I can safely say that there has been one case in RS lore where a non-god immortal managed to grow powerful enough to conquer an entire plane. Though not divine, this being was of similar strength to a lower tier god. It took the rebellion of the beings he subjugated most led by a successful general who recently became a god to take this being down.

Perhaps you've heard of him: Hostilius the Autocrat. And as much as I like and respect a large chunk of the Godless's aspirations, he is one of the bigger points against their philosophy (right up there with some gods, like Icthlarin, kinda being necessary at the moment).

06-Sep-2016 20:12:09

Baxtorian
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Do You realise how inconsistent You are.

As You pointed out, the Godless attempt to minimise the destruction, draw the line between what will and will not destroy the world. You say to avoid destruction is impossible.

The 2 statements are completely fine with each other.

Regarding strong leaders which aren't gods, well what can an army really do? As that's what it burns to. It can't drain life from the world by tamperinig with its soul, the way Zammy did at Forinthry. It does not have nearly enough power to rival that which the gods are capable of.

Tuska wasn't much of a leader. See how she turned out.

06-Sep-2016 22:16:06

An Aviansie
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Well, I wrote up a long and, to be honest, rather angry-sounding post about why I dislike the Godless, but to sum it up quickly and hopefully less angry-sounding:

Their goal is impossible. Even if you could remove the gods, their followers would just break whatever barrier you've made and allow their return, such as when quite a large number of people busted in Guthix's chambers and tried to slay him, before Sliske succeeded. Even if you killed them all, their influence will forever remain.

Tuska's defeat wasn't because of the Godless. It was the combined efforts of all four factions and their gods/Vorago who slew Tuska. Although, yes, while Vorago got the credit for it due to getting the killing hits in, Vorago is NOT Godless.

Gods have potential for destruction, but that doesn't mean they'll use it. Besides, plenty of non-gods have potential for destruction, such as the dragonkin, who still run rampant.

The biggest issue I have with many (although not ALL) of the Godless, though, is the fact that they seem like Guthixian sycophants. They'll proudly proclaim that Guthix was the only good/moral god of the bunch, when really all he did was sleep. I still particularly dislike the fact that I, despite disliking Guthix, am more of a Guthixian than they are, since they're the ones still talking about Guthix and I'm not worshiping him, following him, or even remembering him. His last wish wasn't "get rid of gods" but was "forget me." If you want to honor Guthix: Don't. He didn't want that. He wanted to be completely forgotten. In fact, the only reason why I even talk about Guthix is when other people bring him up.
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