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Seren: Hate or Redeem?

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Hazeel

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Unlike Saradomin, she seems to be moving in the right direction to redemption--though she still presents herself as a danger due to her inability to control herself. For now I say let her be...I'm more interested in seeing if she can redeem Zaros. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

18-Dec-2016 17:04:55

Padomenes

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Also you can't blame somebody and call them "bad" for doing what they believe was right. What matters is the intentions are good, actions mean nothing compared to intention. And if the actions are bad it just means somebody is simply misguided. You've got to make questionable decisions in the name of what is righteous/good and there is no choice. If there was a fire would you choose to save a bunch of possibly selfish strangers who mean nothing, don't care about you or whomever treated you with kindness that you care for first?

Sepulchre said :
As for having a temper... she's female, that's just going to happen no matter what.
Ignoring the fact that its the same case with males and can't be helped too* Having a certain body part is no excuse for how you act. All people regardless of gender have a temper, and it can't be helped.

18-Dec-2016 17:28:44 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 18:09:03 by Padomenes

Summerleaf
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Sepulchre said :
There's no reason to ask this.

Regardless of her intentions, most of these things have already been fixed or long forgotten about. As for having a temper... she's female, that's just going to happen no matter what.


That's incredibly sexist. I don't think crystals have hormones to fit your stereotypes.

Also, This quote was said to me about Seren as person in another thread:

" Padomenes said :


You are a member of one of the most advantaged factions in terms of lore, come back when you are not.


I'm sorry my God doesn't kill people for not worshipping her. She's just mentally unstable, extremely naive, and is responsible for the reduction and death of countless people in the races of Mah. She also doesn't handle criticism well, and screams like a maniac when confronted. She also accidentally enslaves races through use of love, and made an entire planet of drug addicts, but ok.

"

In the end, she does mean well, and that's why I see her as redeemable. As long as she isn't trying to rule anymore, which she isn't. She's kind of pulling an Armadyl, but more benevolently. Kind of acting as a Guardian for her people, and letting them do what they want, compared to the past, which is why I think she is redeemable, imo.

18-Dec-2016 20:27:05

Summerleaf
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Cthris said :
CakeRider said :



I too like to make up stuff that goes directly against what is mentioned in game to support my arguments.

No need to be rude. You could have just asked me to source my arguments.

Here, I have included the transcript for you to read at your leisure.




Honestly, I keep seeing Cake's lore posts all over the place, and they seem really off. Like, they understand the concept of what's going on, but don't actually know the reality of it all.

18-Dec-2016 20:31:07 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 20:32:33 by Summerleaf

Zajarak
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I think she is redeemable and I'd like to help her, don't get me wrong she has made plenty of mistakes in the past many of which are pretty unforgivable but I do believe she understands that she was wrong (elves and Mahjarrat) and I'd like to help her make amends, if not for her sake for the elves because I've really grown to like them!
(Also the Mahjarrat need a break like maybe a holiday, on the beach, hammocks, drinks with little umbrellas in them...)
Pudding is my destiny!!!

19-Dec-2016 00:13:59

Wahisietel
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Lego Miester said :
I can't hate her for her decisions, but I completely understand the Mahjarrat hating her for them. The Mahjarrat became the most power hungry, hated, infamous, cannibalistic species in runescape due to her influence.

If she's going to make it up to someone, start with them.


And they were fully complicit. They knew exactly what the rituals did and what they were for - and they did them anyway.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

19-Dec-2016 01:10:55

Angof Cywir

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How dare you portray my Queen in such a dark way? EvErYtHiNg sHe hAs dOnE, sHe hAs dOnE OuT Of lOvE!!!!

Were it not for her, the Mahjarrat would have gone completely been extinct. ExTiNcT! Without her actions, your precious Zaros would have gotten his bum handed to him long ago without the aid of the Mahjarrat in his army! And where would Zaros go? Back to FrEnEsKaE? It's been completely destroyed!

Were it not for her, who knows where Mah might have gone after she destroyed Freneskae? She would have devoured the whole planet and reabsorbed all the Mahjarrat back into her. She would tear through the abyss and devour planets until she reached Gielinor.

Without her, Priffdinnas would have never been built and ya'll would be still fishing rocktails and getting lung poisoning at the Lava Mine Flows till 99!

She taught elves agriculture, taught us crystal magic...she advanced eLvEn CiViLiZaTiOn!

The Dark Lord was an accident, yes, but without the Civil War and the Player coming to the rescue, the elven counsel would have never made the decision to allow other races to enter their lands.

She has emotions, yes, because she has a big HEART. This is what makes her more closer relate to mortals than Zaros ever could ever be. The ability to feeeel emotion is the dividing line between a psycho/robot and someone who truly feels sympathy!

She is flawless, despite these so-called imperfections you appear to see.
I submissively obey Lady Seren's every whim and relish every waking moment willingly serving her. She is my mistress and I am nothing without her. I am without thought, self-awareness, and being without her. She is my everything.

19-Dec-2016 01:55:51 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 01:58:06 by Angof Cywir

Summerleaf
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Wahisietel said :
Lego Miester said :
I can't hate her for her decisions, but I completely understand the Mahjarrat hating her for them. The Mahjarrat became the most power hungry, hated, infamous, cannibalistic species in runescape due to her influence.

If she's going to make it up to someone, start with them.


And they were fully complicit. They knew exactly what the rituals did and what they were for - and they did them anyway.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't actually think they knew what they were for. Wasn't it just because they were told to do it by "Mah", then it eventually just became habitual whenever there was an earthquake, or what-have-you?

19-Dec-2016 03:17:18

SwedishPagns

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HATE!

#StopSeren #NoWaitKillSeren #ZarosWouldKillMeButItdBeWorthIt #ComeAtMeZaros

It's all because of her that a once proud, noble race is down to a few guys and only one girl (I don't even know how we're going to get their numbers back up without resorting to inbreeding, and I don't think we should ever do what's basically going to be a death sentence). She tricked them into sacrificing their own, to power Mah. It it wasn't for her and her Rituals, this unique and irreplaceable race wouldn't be in such a dire situation.

Seren sacrificed an entire race for Mah, she chose one, defective Elder god over an a entire tribe. That's nowhere near a fair trade. Her excuse was terrible--"I did it to preserve Freneskae." No, you did it to save your own personal brand of heroin "mother." Quit your lying, besides Freneskae's a dead planet, what is there to preserve?

Her reaction to being called out was the worst (and Zaros' white knighting was the second worst), just one long scream, like a child throwing a tantrum before she runs away.

Worst. Tier 2 god ever.
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