RuneScape Forum Archive | Seren: Hate or Redeem?

SwedishPagns

Posts: 8,899 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Ancient Drew said :
Any Zarosian with any respect for the Empty Lord will try to redeem Seren. She's his sister.

EDIT: Besides, whatever the consequences of her actions, she had decent intentions at the end of the day. And as Zaros said of Armadyl:

"When I knew him, he was idealistic and naive, but his intentions were always pure. There is value in that."

Idealistic and naive. That's what Seren is at worst, as well as prone to slight emotional outbursts. Putting the elves and Mahjarrat through all that stuff doesn't make her a monster, she's still trying her best like Zaros is. Redeem.

Being emotional makes her more dangerous; emotional people are terrible at making decisions, leading, making promises, etc. They don't do what's best for themselves or their people, they're driven by impulses rather than reason. Getting them to see reason can be impossible. If in the face of a situation (which is likely imo due to her being a powerful tier 2 god), where she has to choose between appealing to her own emotions vs. appealing to reason, I don't feel eased one little bit by the possibility of her choosing the former. ·

{

×

}

`·.„¸¸,.¤*°‘°•¸

I wish I was in Dixie land

¸•°‘°*¤.,¸¸„.·´

{

×

}

·

19-Dec-2016 05:37:18

Angof Cywir

Posts: 66 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

SwedishPagns said :
Ancient Drew said :
Any Zarosian with any respect for the Empty Lord will try to redeem Seren. She's his sister.

EDIT: Besides, whatever the consequences of her actions, she had decent intentions at the end of the day. And as Zaros said of Armadyl:

"When I knew him, he was idealistic and naive, but his intentions were always pure. There is value in that."

Idealistic and naive. That's what Seren is at worst, as well as prone to slight emotional outbursts. Putting the elves and Mahjarrat through all that stuff doesn't make her a monster, she's still trying her best like Zaros is. Redeem.

Being emotional makes her more dangerous; emotional people are terrible at making decisions, leading, making promises, etc. They don't do what's best for themselves or their people, they're driven by impulses rather than reason. Getting them to see reason can be impossible. If in the face of a situation (which is likely imo due to her being a powerful tier 2 god), where she has to choose between appealing to her own emotions vs. appealing to reason, I don't feel eased one little bit by the possibility of her choosing the former.

Emotions drive morals. Without emotions, there would be no defining morality. We wouldnt feel remorse for the people we killed, for the people we lost.

I submissively obey Lady Seren's every whim and relish every waking moment willingly serving her. She is my mistress and I am nothing without her. I am without thought, self-awareness, and being without her. She is my everything.

19-Dec-2016 05:45:01

SwedishPagns

Posts: 8,899 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Angof Cywir said :
Also, to be honest, I don't really like the Mahjarrat as much as I do not like Demons and Vampyres. There would have been no way they all would have gotten along with humans.

Some Mahjarrat. There are Mahjarrat like Kharshai, Wahi, Azzanadra etc. They're pretty cool and they get along quite well with people.

Angof Cywir said :
Also, Seren's ritual of enervation wasn't a total flop. It prevented the Muspah from spawning in population and eating the Mahjarrat. It also taught the Mahjarrat to reproduce.

I think Mahjarrat would be able to take on muspah. I also think they would've figured out reproduction on their own. ·

{

×

}

`·.„¸¸,.¤*°‘°•¸

I wish I was in Dixie land

¸•°‘°*¤.,¸¸„.·´

{

×

}

·

19-Dec-2016 05:45:53 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 05:52:04 by SwedishPagns

SwedishPagns

Posts: 8,899 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Angof Cywir said :
SwedishPagns said :
Ancient Drew said :
Any Zarosian with any respect for the Empty Lord will try to redeem Seren. She's his sister.

EDIT: Besides, whatever the consequences of her actions, she had decent intentions at the end of the day. And as Zaros said of Armadyl:

"When I knew him, he was idealistic and naive, but his intentions were always pure. There is value in that."

Idealistic and naive. That's what Seren is at worst, as well as prone to slight emotional outbursts. Putting the elves and Mahjarrat through all that stuff doesn't make her a monster, she's still trying her best like Zaros is. Redeem.

Being emotional makes her more dangerous; emotional people are terrible at making decisions, leading, making promises, etc. They don't do what's best for themselves or their people, they're driven by impulses rather than reason. Getting them to see reason can be impossible. If in the face of a situation (which is likely imo due to her being a powerful tier 2 god), where she has to choose between appealing to her own emotions vs. appealing to reason, I don't feel eased one little bit by the possibility of her choosing the former.

Emotions drive morals. Without emotions, there would be no defining morality. We wouldnt feel remorse for the people we killed, for the people we lost.

I'd disagree. Reason can be a huge factor. You can build up a case for why you should/shouldn't have killed [insert guy here] using reason alone. ·

{

×

}

`·.„¸¸,.¤*°‘°•¸

I wish I was in Dixie land

¸•°‘°*¤.,¸¸„.·´

{

×

}

·

19-Dec-2016 05:56:55

Angof Cywir

Posts: 66 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

SwedishPagns said :

I think Mahjarrat would be able to take on muspah. I also think they would've figured out reproduction on their own.

No, according to Wahisietel's memory, the Muspah numbers were pretty troublesome to the Mahjarrat race. They would invade tribes and stuff. There were floods of them like maggots, and the Mahjarrat weren't as strong as they are now. They couldn't even teleport yet! Were it not for Seren's rituals, Mah would have made a storm of muspah. Also, I highly doubt they'd figure out how to reproduce, as the ritual to do so requires some weird dancing and stuff.

I submissively obey Lady Seren's every whim and relish every waking moment willingly serving her. She is my mistress and I am nothing without her. I am without thought, self-awareness, and being without her. She is my everything.

19-Dec-2016 06:02:30 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 06:03:09 by Angof Cywir

Angof Cywir

Posts: 66 Iron Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

SwedishPagns said :

I'd disagree. Reason can be a huge factor. You can build up a case for why you should/shouldn't have killed [insert guy here] using reason alone.

Well Zaros has done some pretty questionable things, not being able to feel remorse and certains emotions.

Torturing races to create the Nihils for one...

I submissively obey Lady Seren's every whim and relish every waking moment willingly serving her. She is my mistress and I am nothing without her. I am without thought, self-awareness, and being without her. She is my everything.

19-Dec-2016 06:06:25

Dec

2023

Cthris

Posts: 5,206 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

From what I understood from the quest and various jmod quotes the mahjarrat were immortal before Seren introduced them to the rituals. They neither aged or were drained of their power. As long as they were not killed they were fine. Thus they have no reproduction.

Seren effectively stole their immortality. This is part of the reason they are so mad at her. Another thing that makes no sense is why couldn't she just sacrifice part of her own power? She is made from the same stuff as the Dreams of Mah. She didn't need to trick them into sacrificing themselves.

19-Dec-2016 06:08:54

SwedishPagns

Posts: 8,899 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Cthris said :
From what I understood from the quest and various jmod quotes the mahjarrat were immortal before Seren introduced them to the rituals. They neither aged or were drained of their power. As long as they were not killed they were fine. Thus they have no reproduction.

Seren effectively stole their immortality. This is part of the reason they are so mad at her. Another thing that makes no sense is why couldn't she just sacrifice part of her own power? She is made from the same stuff as the Dreams of Mah. She didn't need to trick them into sacrificing themselves.

Because she didn't feel like it?

Edit: They were immortal in the sense they can't die of old age but not in the sense they're unkillable. Mahjarrat would've still died in battle had Seren not tricked them and they still would have needed to breed to replace themselves. ·

{

×

}

`·.„¸¸,.¤*°‘°•¸

I wish I was in Dixie land

¸•°‘°*¤.,¸¸„.·´

{

×

}

·

19-Dec-2016 06:12:35 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 06:21:35 by SwedishPagns

Ancient Drew

Posts: 5,732 Rune Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

Angof Cywir said :
SwedishPagns said :

I'd disagree. Reason can be a huge factor. You can build up a case for why you should/shouldn't have killed [insert guy here] using reason alone.

Well Zaros has done some pretty questionable things, not being able to feel remorse and certains emotions.

Torturing races to create the Nihils for one... There's a difference between not showing feelings and lacking them altogether. Zaros does actually feel remorse and other feelings regarding the Ilujanka, and worries that he and Seren won't reconcile. If anything, I think he's a bit fearful of his own emotions; he felt abused by Mah, chained up by an addiction to Seren (which is likely why he doesn't show emotions much), and frustrated with people who can't see that he's trying his best for us as well.

As for Seren, going against Zaros might just be her own way of fighting against his loyalty aura as much as Zaros fighting her love aura. They won't be able to reconcile and be a proper family, and none of their problems will be solved, until these abilities are dealt with. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

Pokemon battle? Friend Code: 4614-0426-2439

19-Dec-2016 06:14:48

Dec

2020

Sepulchre

Posts: 3,525 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

I was just trolling about the Sexist part, and I guess the trigger worked.

Anyway no, I don't hate Seren. I've said that results are the only thing that matter and intentions are meaningless, and I stick by that.

But like I said, most of the stuff she's done that ended badly has been solved or long forgotten about. There's no real reason to hate her at this point in time, unless you're a huge Mahjarrat sympathetic, in which case you may still hate her for driving them to near extinction. On the other hand the competition that takes place over not wanting to be the sacrifice DID cause the Mahjarrat race to become stronger as a whole.
So that's a plus. A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

19-Dec-2016 06:14:55

Forums

Seren: Hate or Redeem?