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Cthris
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Cthris

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You're right. They still can die of external injury. Murphy's law and all that show that yeah they will inevitably die. But think about how they will die. Before, if they died, it was due to their own actions and inadequacies. A perfect being never would have died. But, Seren deprived them of this. Her actions caused them to die to things they couldn't even control. Not to mention that their quality of life seriously went out the window when they were tricked into killing one another.

I'm not going to respond to the stuff about Zamorak and his hypocrisy because it's completely irrelevant. I don't think Seren is a horrible monster because the Mahjarrat think she is, I think she is because she is.
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Being emotional and naive isn't justification for genocide. Besides, it's not like she was unable to foresee that she was causing the massacre of the Dreams of Mah. She intended for them to die to get what she wanted. Anyone who thinks that causing so many deaths is the right way to go is a monster.
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No it wasn't a joke. Seren had alternatives to blowing herself up. Her selfishness put her in that situation. She shouldn't be commended on her actions.

There's no reason to be so misogynistic (in the Platonic sense of the word).

20-Dec-2016 14:02:01 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2016 14:08:18 by Cthris

Pupppy

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Yep, I read the crystals, and the fact that she not mentioning doesn't mean the slow constant drain did not happen from the start. In fact, she doesn't mention any slow drain after she created the rituals either, so going by your logic, the slow draining of their energy never existed because the crystal memoriams don't mention it.

Don't mistake it with the punctual transfers done by the ritual events themselves, which are only thing really stated there.

And what they said in CoM doesn't specify when it started either.

The rest you said are just your personal assumptions and opinions, so I see no point in arguing with them, since I know this discussion will never end. Go on if you want to repeat yourself another time, I just won't do so myself.

20-Dec-2016 14:23:08

Hazeel

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Pupppy said :
Now onto their own hypocrisy. In one moment, Zamorak states that they loved "Mah" for having created them, and they wanted to help her, as they did with the rituals. Now, because that was Seren, it was all invalid; he completely ignores, and denies, the fact that all those rituals were made to help Mah.

It was his mother. There was a natural loyalty there and Seren's aura forced him to love her. She lied to him, acted as his mother and teacher, and being a newborn, he and the others believed the things she told him.

Imagine, for a moment, that you met your mother after a long long time. You had thought that they loved you, cared for you, and only taught you what was absolutely necesary. Then you discover this was a lie. They didn't love you. They saw you as trash. They used your emotions against you, to deceive you, had you kill your family because you were a child naive enough to believe her--this only person who ever acted as a parent in your life because you had no Father or older siblings.

And for what? To save your real mother, an evil creature that was a danger to everyone, didn't love any of her children, and was willing to kill them all for herself. Seren could have told them the truth, that their mother was a mosnter and they should keep breeding until she was nothing and that, as a big sister, she'd look after them until Mah was either too weak to create Muspah on her own, or the Mahjarrat had the numbers to counter them. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

20-Dec-2016 16:50:39

Cthris
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Pupppy said :

Don't mistake it with the punctual transfers done by the ritual events themselves, which are only thing really stated there.

There is no reason to not suspect that she caused both. We know her plan was to steal their energy and give it to Mah. Her plan was to originally cause punctual transfers, and we also she know she succeeded in that. But that doesn't mean that she didn't add other contingencies along the way.

It's worth noting that the Mahserret didn't start dying off until the rituals were imposed on them. If they were being drained all along, they would have died before hand. But obviously they didn't, so it must have been Seren's actions during the time she created the stones that caused the draining.

Another note to make is that the ritual stones can be proven to have a link to their drainage since the creation of a new and bigger one was the cause of their even greater drainage.

Regardless of whether you respond or not, you should know that you actually haven't disproven anything I have said. You have offered alternatives interpretations and both of our interpretations may or may not be correct. So as it stands I can give Seren as much "bullcrap" as I can attribute to her through my own non falsifiable, or non-falsifiable as I've currently seen demonstrated, interpretations.

20-Dec-2016 17:25:35 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2016 18:05:53 by Cthris

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