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Autumn Elite

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Balustan said :
I mean other than the fact he was going to kill everybody then yeah no reason to kill Drakan...

Depending on the differing dialogue trees, all we know for sure is he wants to kill the Myreque and that depends upon us agreeing to go to kill Drakan in the first place - a person who is not our enemy. Also we don't have to kill him. We beat him to submission, there was no need to stake him

Balustan said :
I hope he's not Ascertes. It makes no sense if Safalaan is dead as he should remain. Visiting Vanstrom's past has been the intention since Branches at least. My view is that if used in the context of exploring another character, say one with a related name, it is absolutely fine.

Depends on the execution. I don't see any emotional wait in the reveal at this time and trying to fix characters post death just proves they were poorly done in the first place.

Balustan said :
I think it makes sense that he left his sister alive. He clearly wasn't thrilled to be killing her. Perhaps he couldn't take down Safalaan due to Icyene powers.

Drakan is willing to kill her later. If we have to speculate why he couldn't kill Safalaan then thats flawed writing. Regardless the villains should kill someone but decided not to for arbitrary reasoning then is killed because of this is a bad writing cliche. Needs to be less of this in general.

Balustan said :
She should feature in a small part of the finale, a necessary role, but not as I fear where she will become the saviour in the end leading to a happily ever after ending.

I think bringing her in at all risks undermining the ending. This is literally a angel like being thought dead returning to beat the evil vampires. Its so disengaging.

20-Dec-2015 14:47:29

Autumn Elite

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Balustan said :
Again you misunderstand this is not a character driven quest. We weren't supposed to care about the 2 that died in In Aid of the Myreque and we're not really suppose to care about the Myreque here. This is about driving Veliaf's character in this instance.

I'd disagree. The two from In Aid was supposed to be the guilt that made players into joining the Myreque. Here it pushed Veliaf but was also supposed to effect up raising the stakes. It did not so is a failure. Also throwing characters under the bus for others is poor writing too. Although I'd hardly say they had character to throw.

Balustan said :
Also you say his arc has been in the background. Not really pretty low key but very intentional and actually masterfully done for the first 4 quests.

More what I was getting at is there is no clear Ivan centric quest (possibly half of Legacy) so no developer has screwed him up.

Balustan said :
Vampyrium feels unnecessary really. Just to introduce it.

I can see both ways. I do agree with you but as someone who dislike the previous instalments the newer stuff introduce for me was better so IDK.

20-Dec-2015 15:08:14 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2015 15:08:48 by Autumn Elite

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Balustan said :
A choice for the sake of it is pointless and absolutely against the series MO. The quest was 6th aged enough with the inclusion of Zaros out of nowhere. Not out of nowhere in the overall lore of the game but I that series. There are no requirements that give knowledge of Zaros or anything. It's literally out of the blue in this series. I'm surprised how few people realise this. T's a big negative Imo.

A choice for the sake yes. But having a whole series were someone unlikable gains power and you do nothing would be equally suffering. A happy ending isn't needed or wanted but the player should at least speak their minds.

Also are requirements needed? Its Drakan who was the knowledge about it and the requirements for him are there.

Balustan said :
Wonder where they are going with Veliaf's despair tbh. Safalaan had a fitting end they should not bring him back.

Veliaf I'm predicting will save us at some point. Not a fan. Safalaan I unfortunately can see returning. Also not a fan of this.

Balustan said :
Vanescula's plan is fine.

I mean if you don't examine it in any detail sure. It might be intentionally bad though.

Balustan said :
Of course I think more quests would have been needed to do all the plot points justice and I think the current attitude of Jagex to quests series is responsible for this. I do wonder if Tytn actually had intended anything with Calsidiu.

Possibly although I would also say it could have been streamlined. I couldn't support with the low number of quests we get giving more to the Myreque when it gives so little in return. I still oppose it getting the finale over other stuff. I'd hope so but we will never know.

20-Dec-2015 15:08:24 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2015 15:19:15 by Autumn Elite

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Balustan said :
I would say it's better than in Aid and Branches though.

Agreed. I've seen a lot of Branches love but little explanation and it bothers me a little people use it to criticise Lord without explanation it.

Also whats your thoughts on Beneath Cursed Tides since its f2p? I assume we will have closer thoughts on that one.

Lord Drakan said :
I really need to find time to read up on everything here. :(

Well its only Branches, Lord and Tides reviews you've missed really. Shouldn't take too long.

Lord Drakan said :
I disagree on many things.

Well I never expect consensus. All I can hope for is someone to explain why the Myreque series is considered so great when it has all these problems. i don't want to dislike the series but reflecting on the updates - its poor.

Lord Drakan said :
I consider Vertida to be a good friend and his death was devastating.

Disagree. Nothing has been done to make these characters our friends or even have personality. Its not just me that believes this either. Balustan above agrees and Rowl*y himself said the characterisation is not great. All I'm adding is that its a bad series. We have no connection to these people so the deaths are ineffective. The flaws of previous instalments come home to roost.

Lord Drakan said :
The characters definitely aren't underdeveloped; due to the large cast they have less attention individually than, say, Zanik, but their characters *have* been thoroughly explored. Esp. in TLoV & ISotM.

I'd argue they are considerable weak even for group content. I care about the elf elders, I don't care about the Myreque despite having more quests.

20-Dec-2015 15:21:11 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2015 15:50:03 by Autumn Elite

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Autumn Elite said :
Lord Drakan said :
The characters definitely aren't underdeveloped; due to the large cast they have less attention individually than, say, Zanik, but their characters *have* been thoroughly explored. Esp. in TLoV & ISotM.

I'd argue they are considerable weak even for group content. I care about the elf elders, I don't care about the Myreque despite having more quests.
I dunno how you could care more about the elven elders, who are just old and venerable elves (bar Kelyn) whom you released and whom you helped to restore Prifddinas, than about the Myreque. The elders are just leaders you have respect for and are on good terms with, whereas the Myreque are your close friends. Brethren-in-arms in fact - you've fought and suffered together for the freedom of an entire empire. Together, you trekked through the swamp, navigated the Sanguinesti and even infiltrated Castle Drakan. As I said in my own review, their deaths struck me no less than the ones in WGS, and moreso than Guthix's death.

I shan't acquiesce to your request of thoroughly explaining why I love the Myreque series (absolute favourite unfinished series) right now, but the main elements are everything you disagree on. I absolutely love the setting and novel connections, the characterisation is great, the gameplay and exploration are fantastic, the lore is excellent, the dialogue is masterfully written with all the references, foreshadowing and hidden bonus dialogue, and the plot is marvellous and quite unique to the game. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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21-Dec-2015 08:23:24 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2015 08:26:12 by Lord Drakan

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Lord Drakan said :
I dunno how you could care more about the elven elders, who are just old and venerable elves (bar Kelyn) whom you released and whom you helped to restore Prifddinas, than about the Myreque. The elders are just leaders you have respect for and are on good terms with, whereas the Myreque are your close friends. Brethren-in-arms in fact - you've fought and suffered together for the freedom of an entire empire. Together, you trekked through the swamp, navigated the Sanguinesti and even infiltrated Castle Drakan. As I said in my own review, their deaths struck me no less than the ones in WGS, and moreso than Guthix's death.

I shan't acquiesce to your request of thoroughly explaining why I love the Myreque series (absolute favourite unfinished series) right now, but the main elements are everything you disagree on. I absolutely love the setting and novel connections, the characterisation is great, the gameplay and exploration are fantastic, the lore is excellent, the dialogue is masterfully written with all the references, foreshadowing and hidden bonus dialogue, and the plot is marvellous and quite unique to the game.

Because the elven leaders have personalities whilst I would disagree with everything you said about the Myreque - they just happened to be there whilst we did stuff. I appreciate the novel connections - I just believe there is too much baggage for that alone to save the series.

As for the rest, you will have to prove that. Especially characterisation. I'm not sold on the others either but from my point all the characterisation bar Drakan has been very poor. Some are less poor than others just due to screen time and the such but to argue good characterisation, well thats a bold move.

Also if it helps I find Branches the most overrated and Lord the least.

23-Dec-2015 10:55:04

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The best quest in my opinion was either The World Wakes as it introduced the 6th Age which is becoming one of my favourite era's in RuneScape's history.

Closely behind has to be Fate Of The Gods because we learn alot more about Zaros and Mah. "Can you outrun the ground, Avaryss ? Will being a World Guardian stop you from being crushed?" "I will kill basically anyone that has ever brought you joy." - Sliske

01-Jan-2016 14:14:16

Lord Drakan
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Avaryss said :
The best quest in my opinion was either The World Wakes as it introduced the 6th Age which is becoming one of my favourite era's in RuneScape's history.

Closely behind has to be Fate Of The Gods because we learn alot more about Zaros and Mah.
Added TWW. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

Perhaps you're half right; perhaps we can't win. But we can fight.
— Zanik

03-Jan-2016 07:53:25

Orcrist9
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My favorite quest was actually Romeo & Juliet. Then they killed them. Lore wise, I think my favorite quest series was the Ariane revamp of Rune Mysteries and Rune Memories (I also liked Rune Mechanics, but that was different). The quest I least liked was TWW because they killed my Guthix :(
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03-Jan-2016 09:30:26

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