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Sharp-shin

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Turksta said :
While that may be partially true, it's not entirely true.
Notice in my post i didn't put any emphasis on rarity as much as you have. This is because its not completely associated with rarity. Some of the newer ds games cost more than the older gameboy games despite being more common. People do not just want to pay extra for the "rarer" version, they want to pay extra for the real original actual thing especially in good physical condition. Something does not have to be rare to be a collectible. It just needs to have sentimental value in the eye of the beholder. Now back to the point i'm making. People do not want alternatives of a product, they want the exact product. If i wanted a holo blue eyes white dragon card (seeing as you're more familiar with yugioh) then giving me a ghost rare card is not going to make me want the blue eyes white dragon any less than i originally wanted. Rarity isn't everything. Otherwise ingame items like pumpkins and the wreathe would be worth way more than the items that are more expensive.
Wait, are you still talking about Pokemon games when you're talking about ds/gameboy games? I'm just getting so confused about the comparison now because as you started explaining things over, the overall picture is now missing, or in other words, if you could summarize the whole fake vs. real Pokemon game subject from the beginning, in the way you intended? Regarding holo vs. ghost rare, aren't they the same thing?

Anyway, to talk about the holiday items again, if you only cared about the looks and not about the technicalities, I just don't see how it would matter unless the alternative version wasn't true to the original, because your issue with them seems to me to be about the social stigma, which shouldn't be there if you only cared about the looks. And if you cared about the social aspect, i.e. the status symbolism, you wouldn't want it rereleased since it'd devalue the cosmetic.
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20-Aug-2019 04:24:48

Turksta

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Wait, are you still talking about Pokemon games when you're talking about ds/gameboy games?

>Yes, pokemon games exist on the game boy and ds consoles (and now the switch)


if you could summarize the whole fake vs. real Pokemon game subject from the beginning, in the way you intended? Regarding holo vs. ghost rare, aren't they the same thing?

>I brought up the fake vs real to highlight that while alternate versions may exist of an item, at the end of the day people want the original ones over the replicas regardless of whether its inferior or cheaper due to collectors' reasons. As for the yugioh part, the ghost rares are a lot more rarer than the holos. However a person wanting a holo card although may be satisfied with a ghost rare (as its incredibly more sought after), they won't suddenly stop wanting the original holo card.


"Anyway, to talk about the holiday items again, if you only cared about the looks and not about the technicalities, I just don't see how it would matter unless the alternative version wasn't true to the original, because your issue with them seems to me to be about the social stigma, which shouldn't be there if you only cared about the looks. And if you cared about the social aspect, i.e. the status symbolism, you wouldn't want it rereleased since it'd devalue the cosmetic."

It matters because the alternative version isn't the original. Regardless of the social stigma attached to it people want to own the exact item of whatever they desire, not an alternative that just clutters up the space they have for the actual item they desire. The looks plays into part because its the first reminder/pop up they see that says "hey this isn't the same item". Sometimes it's got nothing to do with how the social aspect plays into part - perhaps the person wants a particular pokemon game or in this case holiday item because of a person event/memory.


all in all, if i want something, i want that particular 1 notafake

20-Aug-2019 07:31:42

Turksta

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To restate my stance on this topic, no support for "replica" holiday items. We've already seen with time that identical holiday items are released so i'd rather much have those replicas (snow globe/ xmas wand) than an official "replica"

May i state also that if replicas were added to the game, what use would there be in doing holiday events? There won't be an important emphasis on holiday rewards anymore as nobody would care a newer holiday reward when they can just get the replica old day originals. Furthermore, it will present another aspect of the game where jagex can be lazy and perhaps not even release holiday items. No thanks, i really like the creative holiday items jagex come up with..

20-Aug-2019 07:34:23 - Last edited on 20-Aug-2019 07:45:05 by Turksta

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You realize a lot of people have family priorities during the holidays and often are forced to miss these events, right?

The only thing these events are even good for is added lure into dragging people into playing the game. Which still applies even if the reward would be simply sold again down the line. They aren't supposed to be important to your gameplay.

The items dont help you, and the events are just a brief period of new content that goes away into nothingness. The rewards don't mean anything more just because some people believe they should never be seen again.

Whether it's done as replicas or not, the point of this thread is Jagex wanted to see if people would like to see them again and got a green light, and whatever way they do it will be generally accepted, albeit hated by a smaller minority who will still likely purchase them themselves. Because they will eventually see friends with them and eventually want them themselves.

I'll say this again, even if there's a time frame before each one can be listed and sold, I see absolutely nothing wrong with eventually letting old content return for new players whom never had any choice in missing it.
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20-Aug-2019 16:05:26

Ladyolake
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Today my 10 year old watched me look thru my stuff and he was saying..

"mom when i play can i get this and can i get that and will you get me one of those"

The things he was pointing to, were things in Diangos and some were Holiday
items.

I Want him to get them because he wants them , because he is my son and wants them.

So if i have to switch how i feel for him to get them someday. Then I will.

I guess other people asking made me feel different than it did when it was my son
asking for them.

I want them to come back somehow or maybe someday Jagex will think of things
so neat that my 10 year old will think these "old" things are nerdier than they really
are. :)

Until this happened I really didnt care either way to be honest. Part of me says not to
and part says yes.

Since I cant make up my mind, I am gonna try to refrain from posting haha The richest person is not who has the most. It is who Needs the least.

22-Aug-2019 09:14:25 - Last edited on 22-Aug-2019 09:17:15 by Ladyolake

Sharp-shin

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Ladyolake said :
Today my 10 year old watched me look thru my stuff and he was saying..

"mom when i play can i get this and can i get that and will you get me one of those"

The things he was pointing to, were things in Diangos and some were Holiday
items.

I Want him to get them because he wants them , because he is my son and wants them.

So if i have to switch how i feel for him to get them someday. Then I will.
...what? Just a few pages back, you said this:


Ladyolake said :
I just hate pple who act like they are entitled to everything in the world
without doing what it takes to get it...

Example.. not at the event when it was done.

i guess your mad that you were not born when you could get Count Choco
and boo berry cereal every day at grocery store.

Everyone acting entitled is everywhere now days..not just on this game and
its litterly sickening.
But now when your son is doing it, it's suddenly fine? I thought it was pretty obvious, but I guess not: your son doesn't truly care about those items. He's a child so he's naturally curious about the stuff he doesn't have, but if he thinks it's fine for him to be given those things without him having earned them, then he's not going to appreciate them past the initial curiosity, unlike the veterans who have earned theirs and treasured them.

Nobody likes to be denied but your son needs to learn that you can't get everything you want, even if it's not something he wants to hear. Otherwise he's going to grow and become spoiled.
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22-Aug-2019 14:52:37

Sharp-shin

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@Turksta, I'm not really buying into your explanation of the case with the Pokemon games because it doesn't sound logical to me, and I'm not interested in spending more time delving into the Pokemon franchise to find out for sure, so I'll just agree to disagree with you there and leave it at that for now.

Regarding the holo vs. ghost rare cards, again, aren't they exact same thing?

Going back on-topic though:


Turksta said :
It matters because the alternative version isn't the original. Regardless of the social stigma attached to it people want to own the exact item of whatever they desire, not an alternative that just clutters up the space they have for the actual item they desire. The looks plays into part because its the first reminder/pop up they see that says "hey this isn't the same item". Sometimes it's got nothing to do with how the social aspect plays into part - perhaps the person wants a particular pokemon game or in this case holiday item because of a person event/memory.
So talking purely Runescape again:

1. If you desire something for its looks, an alternative version can satisfy you, because if you don't care about the social stigma (which you shouldn't if you truly desire the looks), it doesn't matter if there's a distinction between an original and an alternative version.

2. If you desire something for its rarity, that desire is devalued if it's made easier to obtain, and in the case of untradeable discontinued items, recontinuing them makes their rarity go pretty much null and void. With untradeable discontinued items, desire for rarity cannot be satisfied.

3. If you desire something for memories, then you should already have what you desire; if you got banned on that account/otherwise lost access to it, then that's unfortunate, but difficult to satisfy without pissing off the others.

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(Obviously I'd prefer new cosmetics instead as well, though.)
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22-Aug-2019 14:52:45 - Last edited on 22-Aug-2019 14:54:04 by Sharp-shin

Ladyolake
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Page 3 post 3.. I say no to even having word "copy"
page 4 last post.. I say having copy would be ok
Page 23 post 8 .. I say i wouldnt want them to come back as they were but "copy" be ok
Page 26 post 7.. I again say i dont want them coming back exactly same.
Page 27 post 7.. again i say with "copy" be ok.
Page 28 post 6.. talks about compromise
Page 29 post 4 and 5... talking about copys and how things maybe should be left alone
Page 30 post 4.. items should not ruin your enjoyment of game
page 32 post 4 ,7, 9 trying to explain my stance and use of copy and compromising
page 33 post 8, 10...no one wanting to compromise
page 34 post 7 and 10.. not calling me and blackwing names and compromising
page 35 post 6 and 8.. again compromise
page 36 post 3.. naming original "original instead of copy "copys"
page 39 post 2 and last one.. again compromising and being adults
page 40 post 3 and 8 .. cheap knock offs and not being on solomons
Page 43 post 9... maybe useing loyalty points
Page 44 post 9.. i would be happy with "copy" no one wants compromise
Page 49 post 3.. If on solomons put word "solomons" on it
Page 65 post 9.. letting everyone know about the live stream talk about it
page 66 post 7.. dont care just letting everyone know about live stream
Page 69 post 6 and 8 entitlement, probably shouldnt be rereleased but no compromise
Page 70 post 7.. would like to see my son get it.. with "copy" sure

More than 3/4's of my posts talk about me not minding them coming back
as long as they are different in some way from original..mostly mentioning
an examine option.

So all in all I have not changed my mind. I was just saying hearing my
son say what others have said brought it home to me. The richest person is not who has the most. It is who Needs the least.

22-Aug-2019 19:11:16

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