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18-Aug-2019 11:06:20

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Sharp-shin said :

Cheers for the detailed explanation, although this just goes to show that the comparison isn't at all applicable here, because nobody wants to buy games that are buggy messes, whereas people who care about the looks of the discontinued cosmetics wouldn't mind alternative versions , as long as they'd stay true to the originals. Those who wouldn't accept such versions are people who want those cosmetics for their status/the sake of wanting them (or in other words equality, not wanting others to have something you don't).
You missed the point completely. Let me try again as my choice of words may not have been the best/suitable originally..

So many people around the world collect such rare games (in a sealed good condition) as they are collectors of the older pokemon games because they have a soft spot in their heart for those games. While original copies of sealed pokemon games can cost upwards of thousands of dollars, you can easily buy fake reproduced versions for a couple of dollars. Now you'd think "If people can buy a non-original copy of the game and box for a couple of dollars, nobody is going to pay thousands for a real copy". In response to this thought, I'd like to inform you that you are completely wrong! Nobody buys the fake versions while everyone is looking out to get their hands on the real deal even tho it may be a lot more expensive. While the fake game boy advance games are buggy, the modern fake games are in fact actually superior to their legitimate counterparts as the originals have a dry battery problem which presents the hassle of needing to replace the battery every here and there. The fake cartridges have newer chipsets which play the game as original and do not require battery changing.

So although it'd be more logical to buy the fake ones and save a fuck ton of money, many people pay thousands for the real deal simply for collectables

18-Aug-2019 11:18:29

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Turksta said :
You missed the point completely. Let me try again as my choice of words may not have been the best/suitable originally..

So many people around the world collect such rare games (in a sealed good condition) as they are collectors of the older pokemon games because they have a soft spot in their heart for those games. While original copies of sealed pokemon games can cost upwards of thousands of dollars, you can easily buy fake reproduced versions for a couple of dollars. Now you'd think "If people can buy a non-original copy of the game and box for a couple of dollars, nobody is going to pay thousands for a real copy". In response to this thought, I'd like to inform you that you are completely wrong! Nobody buys the fake versions while everyone is looking out to get their hands on the real deal even tho it may be a lot more expensive. While the fake game boy advance games are buggy, the modern fake games are in fact actually superior to their legitimate counterparts as the originals have a dry battery problem which presents the hassle of needing to replace the battery every here and there. The fake cartridges have newer chipsets which play the game as original and do not require battery changing.

So although it'd be more logical to buy the fake ones and save a fuck ton of money, many people pay thousands for the real deal simply for collectables
Okay so this time, the way how you describe it, it comes off to me as what's known in the Yugioh TCG as "rarity whoring": even though it costs more money and doesn't give you anything useful in return for that extra cost, you just want to pay extra for the rarer version because it's rarer. If we were to make a comparison of this to Runescape, a rarity whore would want discontinued untradeable items because they're discontinued, not because of the looks or other uses. If they were rereleased, the rarity they're after would be lost.
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18-Aug-2019 14:43:18

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While that may be partially true, it's not entirely true.
Notice in my post i didn't put any emphasis on rarity as much as you have. This is because its not completely associated with rarity. Some of the newer ds games cost more than the older gameboy games despite being more common. People do not just want to pay extra for the "rarer" version, they want to pay extra for the real original actual thing especially in good physical condition. Something does not have to be rare to be a collectible. It just needs to have sentimental value in the eye of the beholder. Now back to the point i'm making. People do not want alternatives of a product, they want the exact product. If i wanted a holo blue eyes white dragon card (seeing as you're more familiar with yugioh) then giving me a ghost rare card is not going to make me want the blue eyes white dragon any less than i originally wanted. Rarity isn't everything. Otherwise ingame items like pumpkins and the wreathe would be worth way more than the items that are more expensive.

Sure, you can give me a 'fake/alternative' santa outfit, but that's not going to suddenly make me want the original santa outfit any less. Because my eye values that particular version.
edit: replying errors.

19-Aug-2019 01:47:01 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2019 01:51:18 by Turksta

Ladyolake
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Over all the posts I have made about this subject, on this thread, let me restate how
I feel.

I have changed my outlook on this as time as past. Someone, and cant remember
who, mentioned a "gaining points" sort of idea and using those points to claim
old event items. I think that is a good idea if its going to be rereleased at all. I still
think there should be something (example- the year, or something of the sort) to
distinguish from the original... This gives the original owners that just cant stand it
a way to still feel special.

The only other thing I do want to say, I did Not choose not to do the event in 2013.
I was hospitalized in an induced coma. I could not. But that is beside the point. I just
hated seeing it mentioned that i chose not to do the event. If i had been awake and
knew there was an event, I would surely have done it.

After so many pages and posts about this topic, I dont think there is a way to please
everyone. But even in real life you see the same thing in every walk of life and in
every country. I am sure people here reading this had things in real life they do and
do not like.

Life (and runescape by default as being part of our lives) is not perfect.

Have fantastic day all,

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19-Aug-2019 03:52:34

Draco Burnz
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Ladyolake said :


I have changed my outlook on this as time as past. Someone, and cant remember
who, mentioned a "gaining points" sort of idea and using those points to claim
old event items. I think that is a good idea if its going to be rereleased at all. I still
think there should be something (example- the year, or something of the sort) to
distinguish from the original... This gives the original owners that just cant stand it
a way to still feel special.



That's the thing though, its not that we want to feel special its that holiday items aren't meant to be released more than once.

So even if they did something to distinguish between the 2 theyd still be going against said point.
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19-Aug-2019 04:01:02

Ladyolake
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Draco, I honestly dont think they should be rereleased.

But trying to please everyone... is going to be a huge problem and no one is
willing to give in.

Sort of like a divorce and both people want the family dog. Both want it
and it can't be cut in half.

I dont really see Jagex rereleasing them, especially after seeing the
livestream I posted about. And that is just fine. As you said they were
never ment to be released a 2nd or 3rd time. The richest person is not who has the most. It is who Needs the least.

19-Aug-2019 04:42:48 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2019 04:44:26 by Ladyolake

Whatusaytome
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Hey Lady, I actually really appreciate your last 2 posts.

I want you to be able to get that last item, just like I want anybody else who was unfortunate enough to not be able to play the events to still be able to enjoy at least copys or replicas, or however Jagex would do it.

I don't personally see the big deal in why people have this expectancy for them to be one time release items. Like if they wanted people to not just be able to buy them that same year, I'd understand, but a person owning bunny ears isn't going to be the reason they continue to play today. And any person being able to buy a replica released in 2020 isnt going to make that person who is so dedicated that they played from the original bunny ear release quit..

All I'm saying is after some period of time, it should be ok for them to come back, even if they are just copies so originals still hold their originality, and be made great and popular again. Y'know?

It's not like these being one time releases actually does anything for anybody. The tradables, yes. Those being one time releases is why masks and phats, even pumpkins and Easter eggs, are worth hundreds of millions and billions. But these have no such value. It's only personal. Which doesn't change with "copies" having intentionally less value to them.
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19-Aug-2019 23:04:13

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