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MapleStory
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Wow, it's like you guys have no grasp of concepts like legacy or the original intent of the creators @,@

Absolutely zero respect lol.

The people who designed these items have all moved on and at the time they fully understood the nature of what they were creating: Time exclusive Keepsakes commemorating a specific era. You should at the very least honor their wishes, even Jagex knows it's in bad taste to rehash someone elses work and are extremely apprehensive about it.

Most are even hilariously outdated graphically. At the very least you should be lobbying for modern remakes, if you can't live without an old school cosmetic that you don't even deserve. Y'know, Something that doesn't detract from the integrity of the game. Yikes.

13-Jul-2019 00:31:59 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2019 00:44:49 by MapleStory

Pikachu78
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poll passed , so lets see the idea implemented,that the poll suggested like i said its just a cosmetic override a copy/replica of the item , its not the actual item how many times must I say this. maplestory it can still represent the so called era cause we arnt getting the item , sure it might look and act the same as the orginal but its not. theres a difference one is just an override and the other is the real deal ,I don't see why theres an issue cause theres not you all keep your items and we get the replicas and i know the owners of the actual items would want the copys as well. and maplestory the copys could have the graphical update :0 that should be enough distinction for ya.
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13-Jul-2019 03:05:48

H4rry
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MapleStory said :
You're present at the event, you participate and the cosmetic is your reward and you can do with it as you please. The fact that it's a physical object "Bunny Ears" or something purely cosmetic "Count Draynor Outfit/Jadinko Slippers etc", the point is it represents a specific point in Runescape history which the celebration took place and the item was obtained.

Sure. But what is suggested won't take away from that.

MapleStory said :

We could just say I want a party hat, just a cosmetic version. I wasn't there when they dropped and I don't feel like paying but who cares, it's not real. These untradable holiday items sole value (beyond cosmetic) is derived from the fact that the user had to have actually been there to collect the item.

Well I can still get a Party Hat at this point in time because they're tradable. So that argument is pointless. As for untradables, that value is purely based on a person's feeling of sentiment. Nothing can take that away, not even other people having it.

MapleStory said :

To give them out freely is to rob them of their meaning and representational value, which is the only thing they have being purely cosmetic and of no actual use.

Not really. We saw that happen to Sparkles, the snowglobe and ice necklace.

MapleStory said :

Wow, it's like you guys have no grasp of concepts like legacy or the original intent of the creators @,@

Absolutely zero respect lol.

Like the intent of keeping them discontinued yet re-releasing them three years in a row?

13-Jul-2019 07:54:40

MapleStory
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Hell no, not while I'm President. You have no regard for historical significance nor any respect for the original owners and the wishes of the creators themselves, I'll be damned to OSRS before I ever support such a stupid idea as selling old holiday items.

The fact that even after all I have explained to you that still feel so entitled is a disgrace and you should be ashamed of youselves, the level of your conceit is appalling and even vulgar. You don't deserve to wear Bunny Ears on your head, or any other holiday rare you did not earn yourself for that matter!

If you want free Holiday items go help yourself to Oldschool Runescape.
Runescape 3 on the other hand has continuity and you better learn to accept it.

13-Jul-2019 08:29:24 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2019 08:37:52 by MapleStory

Sharp-shin

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H4rry said :
I finished the 20,000 boat materials event in 2 days by training slayer.

This statement is too ambiguous to convey any meaningful information; the amount of in-game hours each player plays per day varies greatly from absolutely zero to literally 24 hours if they're doing a marathon of some kind. Unless, of course, you meant that you completed the event in 48 hours, which obviously is significantly longer than the holiday events that aren't designed to be boring grinds, the likes of which take more or less one hour to complete in full.

And to top it off, the method isn't fully clear as well, because given how ambiguous the amount of time you spent was, "by training slayer" could also refer to using gp from the slayer training to buy bonds, consuming said bonds for runecoins, and then using those to buy the materials needed.


H4rry said :
They add absolutely no more grinding than what is already in the game. You get the boat materials by playing the game exactly how you always would. They actually gave us some decent FREE experience during the event. Which was completely AFKable. Just like all the other MTX events.

Jagex is fully intentionally adding time pressure to people who don't have the time or interest to play the game non-stop, via the threat of potentially missing out on the temporarily available reward(s) forever. Were it not their intention, they would not require so many hours of gameplay during a limited amount of time to avoid having to pay the MTX fee to get the rewards. And if no MTX was involved, the grind would be designed to be more enjoyable.

It's basic MTX game design: if you don't make it lucrative to buy, it won't sell, which isn't what a company wants, because companies want as many people as possible buying as much as possible. If you do, people are psychologically forced into buying it.
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13-Jul-2019 08:56:32

Sharp-shin

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H4rry said :
There's no continues message, notification, anything that keeps telling a player to purchase event materials for runecoins. There's one tab in the event interface that allows you to buy it and that's it. No pressure, purely choice.

There doesn't need to be a continuous pop-up telling you to buy the MTX (but there is the timer for the event's duration anyway, which reminds you that you gotta "chop-chop" to not miss out), because people know even without it that they only have a limited time, which respectively puts pressure on them to either force themselves to play more than they normally would, or pay more money.

I'll say it again: the only way for MTX to be truly optional and a "choice" is for you to be able to opt-out from the completely (it should be opt-in in the first place), meaning that you could get the rewards
exactly the same way as with the MTX, minus having to pay the extra money to Jagex
. But, again, that'd turn the MTX into donations, and companies don't want to be charities, so MTX will never be truly optional if they exist in a game.


H4rry said :
Yes, re-releasing things that were promised to be discontinued is wronging the people who were told that they would never be re-released. All the people who obtained the 2013-2016 re-releases was wronged. Including me. I had every single item back before they were re-released. I do not think lying is acceptable. But I also don't think that going back on your word, partially is acceptable. Why should only some be re-released if none were meant to be re-released? If you re-release some, you may as well re-release them all.

None should've been rereleased, and no other should be either, because if they were meant to be discontinued, that is how they should remain. Lying once doesn't give you the right to lie again, it only makes you a worse liar if you do.
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13-Jul-2019 08:58:36

Whatusaytome
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So maple, from what I see, you get offended simply by people wanting the return of an old cosmetic that does nothing for the game. And you call us entitled? It's obvious from the bunny ears on your head that you feel exclusive and want to keep that. You don't want anybody wearing even a replica of them because you want to be special.

You can't understand how many players have wished for the chance to get bunny ears of their own, and you have no respect for anybody who never had the chance.

It's a cosmetic and it's not valuable in any way. Your personal history is not significant to other people and you won't lose any of it by letting people wear them. If they were any kind of significantly important to the game, it still wouldn't matter because literally everybody wins by rereleasing them.

And acting like the content developers today can't make something like them is a bit farfetched. Even if it was slightly modernised, it's rehashing the old content people have wanted for decades, that you feel entitled to.

I'd be fine with anybody getting and using any and all of the holiday items I have because I'm not some selfish ass who thinks I have to show off I played a Halloween event 12 years ago. That fact is irrelevant and I'd rather more players have them so there's more reason for us to use ours.

Also it's not free. You'd need a very long term membership to get enough loyalty to purchase every single set in Solomon's. Assuming it'd be about as much as replica metal plates and armadyl and such, even a premier membership for 3 years, with their large chunk of like 150k given to you right away probably wouldn't be enough to get them all. Not including everything else already in Solomon's. Costing players even more, making them need even longer still.
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13-Jul-2019 17:46:45 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2019 17:53:53 by Whatusaytome

Whatusaytome
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Solomon's is entirely optional to everybody, Blackwing.

Nothing in the store is required for a player to succeed in the game. Yet the content sells.

There's replicas for people to wear the Original Platebody design, that newer players wouldn't have been able to play because the design was replaced with no option to go back until the Replica set was later released. Replicas for many things exist as entirely optional purchases that take nothing away from the existing real versions.

To think the same cannot be done for holiday items is just being ignorant. If you can explain why they are historical and why that is so damn important, then do it. I think it would make history that Jagex finally gave people second chances at old content. Especially content that has been so longly desired.

Regardless of the word, Discontinued, you forget the simple counter term for it is to Continue. It is not malpractice to continue production of anything once discontinued because nowhere in the definition of discontinued does it say it cannot be continued again. As has already been done multiple times.

The definition is "stopped production of." That's it. There's no crime in continuing. And if you feel they promised you something and you have to get offended by a majority overrule changing the company's mind, you can quit the game because you aren't any more than 1/x00000 people in this game. They will live without you until you inevitably get over it.

You will realize, just like the snow globe and the ice necklace, that you don't actually care about the items, and you got over them coming back, just like you will get over this. Even if you call them a mistake, they are examples that Jagex doesnt care if you think it's a mistake, because the majority was happy to get the new content. You are insignificant in the grand scheme.
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13-Jul-2019 18:10:24

H4rry
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Short and sweet because Whatusaytome summed it up well.

MapleStory said :

Hell no, not while I'm President. You have no regard for historical significance nor any respect for the original owners and the wishes of the creators themselves, I'll be damned to OSRS before I ever support such a stupid idea as selling old holiday items.

Jagex re-released them. Clearly there is no historical significance nor respect for the original owners, or the creators themselves.

MapleStory said :

The fact that even after all I have explained to you that still feel so entitled is a disgrace and you should be ashamed of youselves, the level of your conceit is appalling and even vulgar.

I can say the exact same thing to you.



Sharp-shin said :
This statement is too ambiguous to convey any meaningful information; the amount of in-game hours each player plays per day varies greatly from absolutely zero to literally 24 hours if they're doing a marathon of some kind. Unless, of course, you meant that you completed the event in 48 hours, which obviously is significantly longer than the holiday events that aren't designed to be boring grinds, the likes of which take more or less one hour to complete in full.

And to top it off, the method isn't fully clear as well, because given how ambiguous the amount of time you spent was, "by training slayer" could also refer to using gp from the slayer training to buy bonds, consuming said bonds for runecoins, and then using those to buy the materials needed.

Can't believe I have to explain this. No I did not play 48 hours straight, no I did not buy any runecoins, or bonds. I played the game like I would any other time of the year. I killed shit. I got boat materials. I handed them in. Event done. Took me maybe 16 hours play time in total? Yes that is significantly longer than the events, but you're just playing the game like you would any day.

13-Jul-2019 19:06:07

H4rry
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H4rry

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Sharp-shin said :

I'll say it again: the only way for MTX to be truly optional and a "choice" is for you to be able to opt-out from the completely (it should be opt-in in the first place), meaning that you could get the rewards exactly the same way as with the MTX, minus having to pay the extra money to Jagex. But, again, that'd turn the MTX into donations, and companies don't want to be charities, so MTX will never be truly optional if they exist in a game.


You don't need to opt-in or opt-out. You can just not take part in it? It's not a compulsory event. Sure you get boat materials but if you don't like it then just don't hand them in and partake? You're forgetting that MTX events don't reward players with purely cosmetics but a lot of experience and items that have a GP value. Jagex giving out free experience and GP would royally fuck the economy and make the game piss-easy to play. This wouldn't be good for both players and Jagex.

Sharp-shin said :

None should've been rereleased, and no other should be either, because if they were meant to be discontinued, that is how they should remain. Lying once doesn't give you the right to lie again, it only makes you a worse liar if you do.

But then some were re-released. And it was polled and passed that they should all be re-released. Is it not a lie that they're not all re-released then? Even without the poll, having some re-released when we were promised a constant discontinuation of all the items results in a constant lie. And how could this be fixed? Releasing them all.


Whatusaytome explains it better than I probably can.

13-Jul-2019 19:23:06 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2019 19:24:08 by H4rry

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