RuneScape Forum Archive | Past holiday items for sale

Sharp-shin

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H4rry said :
You treat this like they have a gun to your head during the MTX promotions and are forcing you to buy Runecoins in order to get the currency used during the event. In all of these events you acquired the currency through skilling, and PvM. The third option by YOUR choice entirely, is Runecoins. Every player can participate in the events, even without paying real money.

No, I'm treating it like it is: Jagex is preying on people's psychological weaknesses. Anyone can be manipulated psychologically, even if the method used technically isn't physically "forced", like the gunpoint example you gave. For gamers, that weakness tends to be impatience or the pressure to not miss out on temporarily available rewards.

Holiday events used to take an hour or so max to complete

in full

, whereas with the MTX events, Jagex intentionally adds lots of grinding there, which is not at all for the benefit of people who can't play all the time. They're pressured into buying the MTX or else they wouldn't have the time to get the rewards. And then there's of course the impatient people: if you can go where the fence is on the lowest, people tend to desire being lazy and go with it, which with MTX is to buy the MTX. Especially since the non-MTX route is not fun, again, intentionally so, because Jagex is a business, and a business does not make "optional" purchases. Not psychologically optional anyhow.

The only way for MTX to be optional is for you to be able to get the paywalled item/service for free in the exact same way as you would with the MTX route, minus making the payment. But in simple terms, that'd turn the MTX into donations to Jagex, but Jagex isn't a charity so that can never be true for MTX. It'll never be truly optional, and I hope you realize it before you get scammed too.

"Volat Accipiter libera est; venandi sua natura est."

~Accipiter striatus

11-Jul-2019 21:14:16

Sharp-shin

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H4rry said :
It was polled to be released for loyalty points, and this thread is about them returning for loyalty points.

So let's make alternate versions of them that are sold for loyalty points, problem solved and old owners get something new too.

H4rry said :
I don't understand, if you see Jagex as this dubious, selfish, money-grabbing, paywall-locking company then why play?

Skipped the first part because I already explained it in above post, but as to this: Runescape is the game, Jagex is the company, the former is what I want to play, not the latter. Runescape as a game is on its core great, but Jagex is ruining it with these shitty practices. All it'd take is for Jagex to be replaced with a better company, or for Jagex to be controlled so that they can't resort to these anti-consumer practices. Runescape is lucky in it that it's a game with issues that can be fixed, because not every game is possible to fix, or simply isn't worth it.

H4rry said :
Because what we were promised is that they would NEVER be re-released. But now we know that just wasn't true now was it? So because they can and have been re-released, why not re-release them all? By doing this, nobody will be wronged. Everybody will be equal.

Rereleasing things that were promised to be discontinued is wronging the people who got said things when they were still discontinued, since they'd then be lied to. Not sure why you don't get that, or do you think that lying is acceptable? I think it's fairly obvious that lying attracts more lying, and many people don't like liars.

"Volat Accipiter libera est; venandi sua natura est."

~Accipiter striatus

11-Jul-2019 21:14:20

Oct

2013

Pikachu78

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why do you people fail to see the fact that we wouldn't be getting the actual items just a replicated cosmetic override. if you did the event you have the orginal item, if not then you have a copy from solmons thanks to all your loyalty . I fail to see the problem with releasing the items thru the store as its just replicas which does no harm people that did the event have the orginal and the new players have a copy , sure they might look the same but they arnt the same as one is a psychical item while the other is not. how can you fail to see the difference its clearly there. everyone is happy you still have your historical value if you have the item and newer players can also enjoy them as well with the override sfrom solomns with their loyalty plus having both the item and the copy is nice for you as you have easier access and not all players would have both versions of the items so this rerelease just benfits everyone no reason to dispute , the poll passed and is a great idea these items were meant to be fun toys to use on the holidays not things to just be collected and forgotten about or even sold for high priceing for greedy players. one day runescape might close like classic did and what happens to the items you had? they go away never to be seen or heard of again, and no one was able to experience them before it shutdown just cause you didn't want others to have them? the poll passed its a great idea , everyone benfits from it plus just a copy. plus doing going this route of releasing them to solmons gives jagex more money to poor into longer support for this game

pikachu

11-Jul-2019 22:09:15

Jun

2022

H4rry

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MapleStory said :
It's not so much just having exclusive swag, but an indicator that you were there at that specific time and participated at that event. Re-introduce them and it messes the up the whole thing.

If you read what I said earlier, you'd find out that they have re-introduced them. Multiple times.

Sharp-shin said :

No, I'm treating it like it is: Jagex is preying on people's psychological weaknesses. Anyone can be manipulated psychologically, even if the method used technically isn't physically "forced", like the gunpoint example you gave. For gamers, that weakness tends to be impatience or the pressure to not miss out on temporarily available rewards.

I finished the 20,000 boat materials event in 2 days by training slayer.

Sharp-shin said :

whereas with the MTX events, Jagex intentionally adds lots of grinding there

They add absolutely no more grinding than what is already in the game. You get the boat materials by playing the game exactly how you always would. They actually gave us some decent FREE experience during the event. Which was completely AFKable. Just like all the other MTX events.

Sharp-shin said :

which is not at all for the benefit of people who can't play all the time. They're pressured into buying the MTX or else they wouldn't have the time to get the rewards.

The event doesn't just reward with cosmetics, it gives lots of prismatic stars, lamps, silverhawk feathers, shit that can give a player a real advantage. If it was just cosmetic items that do nothing but look cool, then yeah that's not right. They're not pressured, they are given the option. There's no continues message, notification, anything that keeps telling a player to purchase event materials for runecoins. There's one tab in the event interface that allows you to buy it and that's it. No pressure, purely choice.

12-Jul-2019 04:30:09 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2019 04:52:24 by H4rry

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2022

H4rry

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Sharp-shin said :

Rereleasing things that were promised to be discontinued is wronging the people who got said things when they were still discontinued, since they'd then be lied to. Not sure why you don't get that, or do you think that lying is acceptable? I think it's fairly obvious that lying attracts more lying, and many people don't like liars.

Yes, re-releasing things that were promised to be discontinued is wronging the people who were told that they would never be re-released. All the people who obtained the 2013-2016 re-releases was wronged. Including me. I had every single item back before they were re-released. I do not think lying is acceptable. But I also don't think that going back on your word, partially is acceptable. Why should only some be re-released if none were meant to be re-released? If you re-release some, you may as well re-release them all.

MapleStory said :

Try not to get jelous, It's just cosmetics anyway, once you get older you'll understand, they are kind of a digital memorabilia for some people.

And that's where the actual item comes in. I will take pride knowing that I have my Skeleton Outfit marking my first ever event. But I have not worn it for 10+ years. It sits with Diango and is never removed. If I see some people running around in a "Replica Skeleton Torso" or whatever it's called, that's not going to diminish any sort of sentimental value I hold for my Skeleton Outfit because I know what it is worth to me.

Pikachu78 said :
why do you people fail to see the fact that we wouldn't be getting the actual items just a replicated cosmetic override. if you did the event you have the orginal item, if not then you have a copy from solmons thanks to all your loyalty .

^

12-Jul-2019 04:46:27

Apr

2020

Whatusaytome

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Pikachu78 said :
the poll passed and is a great idea these items were meant to be fun toys to use on the holidays not things to just be collected and forgotten about or even sold for high priceing for greedy players. one day runescape might close like classic did and what happens to the items you had? they go away never to be seen or heard of again, and no one was able to experience them before it shutdown just cause you didn't want others to have them? the poll passed its a great idea I liked this part.

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12-Jul-2019 15:25:33

Dec

2023

MapleStory

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That's a lazy argument that could be directed towards any item in the game. "I wasn't there/didn't bother participating in the event or getting the item but just give me a cosmetic version anyway 10 years after the fact, who cares it's just a cosmetic."

You're present at the event, you participate and the cosmetic is your reward and you can do with it as you please. The fact that it's a physical object "Bunny Ears" or something purely cosmetic "Count Draynor Outfit/Jadinko Slippers etc", the point is it represents a specific point in Runescape history which the celebration took place and the item was obtained.

We could just say I want a party hat, just a cosmetic version. I wasn't there when they dropped and I don't feel like paying but who cares, it's not real. These untradable holiday items sole value (beyond cosmetic) is derived from the fact that the user had to have actually been there to collect the item.

To give them out freely is to rob them of their meaning and representational value, which is the only thing they have being purely cosmetic and of no actual use.

You personally may not care about your Halloween skelleton suit, some people do. Just as I have an original Halloween Scythe that I rarely dust off just as a reminder of the good old days, but is highly desired by some. It's all relative.

It's an informal indicator of an accounts age at best, there's more important matters to attend to regarding this game and Jagex is already receiving enough criticism as it is for lazy development and lack of content, the last thing they need to do right now is start rehashing old items.

12-Jul-2019 17:36:11 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2019 18:00:53 by MapleStory

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2020

Whatusaytome

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I still see nothing important enough to use as a reason to actually avoid this.

You say the last thing they need is rehashing old content. When in fact this had a majority vote on the poll in favor of rerelease. Not only did the people say they wanted these items to come back because of the poll, but they've been asking for these specific rereleases since the bunny ears. When items were no longer made tradable.

Your personal history is not important to everybody else. And your personal history is not lost if you own a specific item. You have your memories whether another person wants a replica or not.

And unlike you, people like H4rry knows he has an original Skeleton Suit, like I also have, and he, as far as I can read, is fine with other people wearing the same thing as long as he knows why his is special to him.

I'll ask again. Why do I need to care about your history or account age, or if you happened to play an event? Nothing about any of that information makes the slightest bit of difference to me.

Your nostalgia and reasons behind it are yours alone. I have mine, you have yours. The items don't mean a thing besides acting as a trigger for that nostalgia, which will not change by letting more people wear or use it.

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Stepping Stone Partyhats
Update the rules , Trade Lock Scammers

12-Jul-2019 19:02:24

Oct

2013

Pikachu78

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maplestory you cant use the "I did the event" argument because in the 2016 Christmas event you played some of the past events but you never got the proper rewards for doing it, no wand, no crab hat, no scrafs,etc I mean you did techinally complete the event so why couldn't you get the associated item to go along with it? only the 2007 past event in the 2016 event worked properly which was nice it gave its proper item unlike the others rip scarfs I did the 05 event during the 2016 event as it was a part of it so where's my scarfs? i did the event

pikachu

12-Jul-2019 21:07:14 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2019 21:11:37 by Pikachu78

Dec

2023

MapleStory

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Wow, it's like you guys have no grasp of concepts like legacy or the original intent of the creators @,@

Absolutely zero respect lol.

The people who designed these items have all moved on, and most are woefully outdated graphically. At the very least you should be lobbying for modern remakes, if you can't live without an old school cosmetic that you don't even deserve. Y'know, Something that doesn't detract from the integrity of the game. Yikes.

13-Jul-2019 00:31:56

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