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[#CPBHP2XGQ] said :
Someone slap me in the face for actually bothering with a reply here....
One of the reasons the older holiday items have historical value is beccause they are part of RS' history. Making all those items be it as actual item or as override available again would remove that history aspect. After all how can it be part of a game's history when you can still get your hands on it. RS as a game moves on OSRS/RS3 are the living proof of that. As a game moves on it's only natural that things get left behind. Removing said things is however not always possible because things like rewards or iconic items are important to the players. Thus they become or already were from the start unobtainable so that people who played the game during that time frame can still enjoy them whilst new players get items related to the time they played. And yes, if an older player still plays they'll have both. I've said this before, but this is simply how it works.
Mhm. Some of the new/returning players, who look into the past like that, don't realize that Jagex can make something new that they'll like even better, since one can't know about the unknown; one can think that some existing holiday item/cosmetic is the best one they'll ever want, but as long as they keep playing and Jagex keeps updating the game, sooner or later they'll get something even better, either entirely new or improvement to the old. Demanding the old as they are would only ruin the historical value for those who care about it, and demotivate Jagex.
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11-Oct-2018 10:10:31

Whatusaytome
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[#CPBHP2XGQ] said :
Someone slap me in the face for actually bothering with a reply here....
One of the reasons the older holiday items have historical value is beccause they are part of RS' history. Making all those items be it as actual item or as override available again would remove that history aspect. After all how can it be part of a game's history when you can still get your hands on it. RS as a game moves on OSRS/RS3 are the living proof of that. As a game moves on it's only natural that things get left behind. Removing said things is however not always possible because things like rewards or iconic items are important to the players. Thus they become or already were from the start unobtainable so that people who played the game during that time frame can still enjoy them whilst new players get items related to the time they played. And yes, if an older player still plays they'll have both. I've said this before, but this is simply how it works. it's sad that you think this way. It really is.

How many times do I have to say, history behind the item cannot be lost. It literally cannot. They aren't iconic of anything so long as you think bragging for fewer people matters more than fun and personal enjoyment for more people.

My goal is enjoyment in this game for as many people as possible, while you are desperately only trying to keep yourself happy by saying nobody else deserves anything cosmetic. I don't care if they did believe in the past that they'd never being them back, there's plenty of positive results that come from doing it that benefit the game as a whole better than preserving such a selfish value.

It doesn't affect any of you. But for some reason you all have to cry like babies when people want cosmetics and are willing to pay for them. Get over yourselves you selfish lot.
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11-Oct-2018 13:08:57

Whatusaytome
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Keep in mind, if you gave me a legitimate and logical reason why it is better for the players, as well as better for the game, to keep this value. I might change my mind on supporting the sales. But everything you people say is about a ridiculous standard set in 2004 that you personally fear changing.

But all I see you guys saying is this nonsense, such as the item loses its reason for existence, Which, according to you, is and always should be rarity instead of holiday cosmetic appeal. Where I believe an MMORPG is more about Multiplayer Online Role-Playing in a Game, and during holiday seasons, the best way for people to have fun is the holiday themed clothes and toys that exist in the game already.

It shouldn't be a requirement for the Santa Suit to be a 10 year vet who was there that specific week. And since I am, and i have it already, I can truly say it does NOTHING to me in any way, shape, or form, to share copies of my Santa Suit. Any memories that outfit bring up in me will still be there. And anybody personally willing to make any purchase can simply enjoy their new cosmetics the way they want, as it should be.
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11-Oct-2018 17:36:17

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I honestly think if having a certain item from a holiday is gonna ruin your
enjoyment of a game with as much to do as there is to do then sounds like
you have a personal problem there mate. The richest person is not who has the most. It is who Needs the least.

12-Oct-2018 08:47:20

Turksta

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Ladyolake said :
I honestly think if having a certain item from a holiday is gonna ruin your
enjoyment of a game with as much to do as there is to do then sounds like
you have a personal problem there mate. To be honest, it goes both ways.
If more people having access to a certain item from a holiday
is gonna ruin your
enjoyment of a game with as much to do as there is to do then sounds like
you have a personal problem there mate.

12-Oct-2018 09:03:21

Turksta

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Whatusaytome said :
everything you people say is about a ridiculous standard set in 2004 that you personally fear changing.

But all I see you guys saying is this nonsense, such as the item loses its reason for existence, Which, according to you, is and always should be rarity instead of holiday cosmetic appeal. Where I believe an MMORPG is more about Multiplayer Online Role-Playing in a Game, and during holiday seasons, the best way for people to have fun is the holiday themed clothes and toys that exist in the game already.

It shouldn't be a requirement for the Santa Suit to be a 10 year vet who was there that specific week. And since I am, and i have it already, I can truly say it does NOTHING to me in any way, shape, or form, to share copies of my Santa Suit. Any memories that outfit bring up in me will still be there. And anybody personally willing to make any purchase can simply enjoy their new cosmetics the way they want, as it should be. Agreed.

12-Oct-2018 09:04:20

Sharp-shin

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Turksta said :
Ladyolake said :
I honestly think if having a certain item from a holiday is gonna ruin your
enjoyment of a game with as much to do as there is to do then sounds like
you have a personal problem there mate. To be honest, it goes both ways.
If more people having access to a certain item from a holiday
is gonna ruin your
enjoyment of a game with as much to do as there is to do then sounds like
you have a personal problem there mate.
It'd ruin the integrity of the game (wherein holiday items are meant to be discontinued to give them historical value) and trust for Jagex to keep its word; integrity issues damage the enjoyment of the game by causing imbalances, inconsistencies and/or breaks the immersion, and if you can't trust someone (in this case Jagex) who you deal real money with, why would you want to deal with them at all?

I get that it's easy to not know, or even to not care, about it if you haven't been personally affected by such consequences yet (or even if you have and are now seeking to cause the same misery to others to try and feel better about it), but if you care about the long term survival of the game, you should care and let the discontinued items stay as they are, lest you find yourself with an integrity and/or trust issue later that you do care about, which was a consequence from allowing earlier issues of that type to happen.

If the discontinued holiday items gave an actual advantage over those that don't have them, or there was a clear lack of cosmetics in the game, then there'd be more sense to look into them further, but alas, neither of those is the case. It'd be better to focus on new items, either entirely new or distinctly different versions of the old. > )
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12-Oct-2018 10:58:58

Whatusaytome
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Turksta said :
Ladyolake said :
I honestly think if having a certain item from a holiday is gonna ruin your
enjoyment of a game with as much to do as there is to do then sounds like
you have a personal problem there mate. To be honest, it goes both ways.
If more people having access to a certain item from a holiday
is gonna ruin your
enjoyment of a game with as much to do as there is to do then sounds like
you have a personal problem there mate. tbh I don't even think it's a both ways type of thing.

They are the one's saying people will quit because of them coming back. We wouldn't quit if Jagex outright said they will absolutely never come back. Because nothing game-wise is changed, except for then we would know where Jagex stands Morally.

They have a personal problem with us asking for cosmetics that already exist, and we have a personal problem with them not letting anybody else even have a choice in the matter.

@Blackwing.

It's easy to hate an idea you don't agree with, but that doesn't make it a bad idea, and you cannot prove anything about integrity being lost, or even claim Jagex to be untrustworthy because of something as small as this.

Maybe they polled us because they came to the realization that they, as well as their players, don't gain anything from these items being discontinued. These clothes and toys being discontinued, and not tradable to have a player-made value that shows it's history like Partyhats, means nothing can ever be gained on either side.

Bringing them back let's more people use them the way they were meant for. Selling them adds revenue for the conpany. Doing these things does not take away from any player made values because there are none actually there in the item itself. It's all personally based, individual users. And not even enough to make the poll actually fail.
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12-Oct-2018 17:45:54

Turksta

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"tbh I don't even think it's a both ways type of thing.

They are the one's saying people will quit because of them coming back. We wouldn't quit if Jagex outright said they will absolutely never come back . Because nothing game-wise is changed, except for then we would know where Jagex stands Morally.
^Agreed.

"Bringing them back let's more people use them the way they were meant for. Selling them adds revenue for the company. Doing these things does not take away from any player made values because there are none actually there in the item itself. It's all personally based, individual users. And not even enough to make the poll actually fail."
^Agreed.
Also last year, Jagex released the ghost chicken set, which although is a different item to the original chicken outfit, it's still very similar. It wasn't free, but you can bet that those who badly want it would pay for keys to obtain ghostweave. Although personally, i don't care much about that holiday item in particular, i'm sure some players were really grateful for it. I also like how they created a halloween version of an easter reward.

13-Oct-2018 05:37:32

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