RuneScape Forum Archive | Past holiday items for sale

Sharp-shin

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Stepping Hen said :
I for one would like to get some of the old untradeables that I missed. And if they said eg. Copy Bunny Ears, that wouldn't bother me at all, as I would only want the cosmetic appearance. However, I do own many of the untradeables and I like knowing that not everyone in the game owns it. But the same argument could be made for pets like the big cat event, once you miss it, that's it. Chance gone.

To be honest, RuneScape is great the way it is, but I think that you should be able to lend these items to people who want to experience them.

Lending could be a possible compromise (since trading certain untradeables 1:1 is already possible), yes. That way, old players who have the original items, get to keep the historical value, both of the item itself and the value attached to the account, and new players/old players who don't have them, could get the original versions of the items too (albeit temporarily, but when it matters most).

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08-Oct-2018 16:58:22

Apr

2020

Whatusaytome

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Sharp-shin said :
Stepping Hen said :
I for one would like to get some of the old untradeables that I missed. And if they said eg. Copy Bunny Ears, that wouldn't bother me at all, as I would only want the cosmetic appearance. However, I do own many of the untradeables and I like knowing that not everyone in the game owns it. But the same argument could be made for pets like the big cat event, once you miss it, that's it. Chance gone.

To be honest, RuneScape is great the way it is, but I think that you should be able to lend these items to people who want to experience them.

Lending could be a possible compromise (since trading certain untradeables 1:1 is already possible), yes. That way, old players who have the original items, get to keep the historical value, both of the item itself and the value attached to the account, and new players/old players who don't have them, could get the original versions of the items too (albeit temporarily, but when it matters most).

how is a 1:1 ratio beneficial to anybody who doesn't have them? Such as new players.

You aren't thinking about both sides. Which is the point of "compromising."

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08-Oct-2018 17:02:06

Dec

2011

Draco Burnz

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Whatusaytome said :
how is a 1:1 ratio beneficial to anybody who doesn't have them? Such as new players.

You aren't thinking about both sides. Which is the point of "compromising."

Uhh, the point is that ppl who dont have them will finally have their time with the items w/o having to just rerelease them.

Simple logic really.

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09-Oct-2018 11:43:15

Jan

2008

Ladyolake

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I think if they do come out.. they need to come out the exact same way they did the first time.

The problem then becomes.. Older players want something new too.

After all you are getting something new by getting the old item.

So then next year when you get the item from year b4 someone somewhere who
didnt play will want it and it becomes a vicious cycle.

I dont think them as cosmetic overrides is "ok" since the older player would have
to use a keepsake key on theirs.

And I dont lurk the forums 24/7. I play and i have a real life.

For the most part I think some things are better off where they lie. And bring
out new things. So everyone can have them. I dont think it would be fair
to have an event done and the newer player get 2 items as a reward and the
old player only get the one.

OSRS has rereleases of all the holiday items each year and that is how they
started the game.

This version has been different all the way back from classic days.

Now as far as new items go in last couple years they have begun rerealeasing
some especially the th promo ones . All I can say is the year you obtained it
should be in the examine.

I dont mind people getting them as long as its the way it was first released and
has the "copy" on it.. I dont think it being on the cosmetic interface is fair
unless they give all the older players that also. And then someone is still
gonna complain "OH they have an actual item" The richest person is not who has the most. It is who Needs the least.

10-Oct-2018 11:31:29

Jan

2008

Ladyolake

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Sometimes the forums remind me of something in real life.

I told my kids not to take glasses of water to their room.
They then took cups and told me i didnt say anything about cups
so i told them no glasses, no cups.
Then i go in there and i find a bowl of water and they said
well you didnt say we couldnt have a bowl of water.
So I added that to the list
Then I found a cooking Pot of water.
They said well you didnt say we coudnt have that in our rooms.

After a while of going around and around it becomes tedious and silly.

I think honestly its time to move on to a diff topic this thread has given
me the same kind of headache my kids gave me over the water in their
room deal. The richest person is not who has the most. It is who Needs the least.

10-Oct-2018 11:35:56

Sharp-shin

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Ladyolake said :
For the most part I think some things are better off where they lie. And bring out new things. So everyone can have them. I dont think it would be fair to have an event done and the newer player get 2 items as a reward and the old player only get the one.

This is exactly the problem I have with OSRS holiday events: the way the rewards are given out, it discourages you to participate by not giving anything memorable to that event, as well as making you work X times more than a newer player, if you complete each event and the newer player only has to complete one to get the same rewards as you have. Didn't surprise me at all that the untradeable discontinued item poll technically passed, and the tradeable poll nearly technically passed.

It's funny actually if you think about it: RS3 has pretty badly designed events overall nowadays (exp grindfests, when they used to be interesting quest-like events), but the way the rewards have been handled has been great most of the time. OSRS is the exact opposite, so if you took the best from both (discontinued cosmetic rewards and an interesting story), the result would be perfection.

Regarding the copy thing: "copy" in the name and year in the examine would be great in addition, but alone they'd simply be too invisible to matter.

Ladyolake said :
I told my kids not to take glasses of water to their room.
They then took cups and told me i didnt say anything about cups
so i told them no glasses, no cups.
Then i go in there and i find a bowl of water and they said
well you didnt say we couldnt have a bowl of water.
So I added that to the list
Then I found a cooking Pot of water.
They said well you didnt say we coudnt have that in our rooms.

Hehe, your kids could become great lawyers. > )

Maybe you could've banned all containers of water from the start?

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10-Oct-2018 12:09:26

Apr

2020

Whatusaytome

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I have supported the items "coming back the same way they were done the first time" by supporting people being able to replay past events. There's a thread about that too.

Unlike what I'm supporting here, that option makes all of the items available to everybody in a much easier way. And is unlikely to have any changes to tell them apart.

I already told you, my rewording for "copy" being your word to apply to tell them apart, is "Cosmetic Override" because they accomplish the same thing. Except my wording is in a way that is already the norm through Solomon's overrides.

Mine doesn't put one side as more important than the other, like you keep trying to make it.

You seem entirely ignorant to me saying new items will always be made for future events. And even this update gives almost everybody the chance to get something they do not own, if they have the desire to save up their loyalty points to buy it.

It's not our fault you desperately played every event except for one, and feel the need to limit yourself against ever having a second chance. That is your own personal problem that you are forcing on everybody else.

Why are you comparing this to OSRS? They give the rewards flat outright after completing a future event, which is unrelated to anything suggested in this forum. Drop the OSRS argument, it doesn't apply here.

If you think it's unfair that you have to keepsake it to use as an override, too bad, that's your fault for putting such ridiculous personal values on a piece of clothing in a game. The people who want this option would likely have to pay more than a keepsakes cost for the same result. But that's not fair for you.

The events will still be played, assuming people have the time to do so, and assuming they have no interest in having to continuously pay membership to buy every individual missed item.

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10-Oct-2018 18:02:36

Aug

2010

Qwis7

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Sorry for late reaction, but yes I understand your point.
You want the items exactly how they are at release but you would like to see them coming back at store so they are override able.

This is not possible and unfair against the people who did play back in old days and did the events.
Those players lay down some arguments why it should stay this way:
1. It hold a historical value.
2. We needed to do a quest to get our hands on it.

Newer players want the items and so far they only say its unfair, because not everybody can get it and if some one goes against it they are selfish?

If I would be a judge I would say the old players got a point to be honest.

So I say make a compromise so make a item that looks like it, but with different colors.
This way the newer players can get the items and older players hold the items with historical value.

This is basically the core of the problem and in my opinion the solution.

10-Oct-2018 18:19:16

Apr

2020

Whatusaytome

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Lmfao qwis, you spew the exact same bullshit excuse that I constantly say is unaffected. And you obviously do not understand a thing if this is what your interpretation of my post is.

You say put yourself on a pedestal above everybody else because you are more important and nobody is allowed to have holiday fun on the holidays, because only a person who has played that holiday every previous year is allowed to enjoy it properly.

Only you are allowed to enjoy the holidays? Is that what historical value is? Untradeable items that don't benefit your gameplay cannot be given to more people because, for some reason, showing I played Xmas 2008 matters more than letting 10+ future years of new people roleplay as Santa during the Xmas season in a role-playing game?

Yes, I call all of that selfish as fuck. Me, me, me. My values matter more than letting people enjoy the game the way the items were really meant for. Holiday enjoyment for as many people as possible is my goal, here. What's yours? Making sure only you and Blackwing can enjoy xmas?

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10-Oct-2018 21:36:15

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