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Draco Burnz
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Whatusaytome said :
But, what if the poll suggested replaying the events to obtain the rewards? how do you think it would result then? I think it would pass. again.

Also, i don't see any comments from Blackwing that include any of the changes, such as Replica or Copy being a very clear difference in these new items. So i am still under the impression he thinks nothing is different and still feels his personal value is at risk.


Seems like you still arent reading what anyone says wither. So till you do, you have no right to demand that of others.

Again, just because something passes a poll doesnt mean it will/should happen.

Also its pretty obvious you dont care if personal value is lost as you have nothing to lose yet all to gain.

You probably dont have any of the items you want rereleased so of course you want this to happen so you can get them.

I on the other hand also dont have them yet understand why ppl want them to stay as is.

You choose to miss event so you choose to forgo any ownership of the rewards at any time.
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28-Jun-2019 21:44:03

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Pikachu78 said :
your right we should go back to discussing the poll, it passed as there was no threshold to pass just a majority which we got, most people don't want discontinued items anymore as proven by the poll I'm sorry you fail to see that blackwing

Why do you even respond to my posts if you don't read them? I already told you before that the much more recent (4 years more up-to-date) poll in OSRS demonstrates that the vast majority are fine with untradeable discontinued holiday items, and tradeable ones would've been very close to passing as well (0,4% difference),
if only the poll had been an actual poll and not an information gathering poll
. But because it was an information gathering poll, not even 100% support in favor for discontinued holiday items would've changed anything in the game, yet that makes no difference in displaying what people care about (hence the information gathering part).

It should tell you something that, when a playerbase which has played a game that doesn't have any discontinued items for 5 years is fine with adding untradeable discontinued holiday items to the game (and almost tradeable ones by barely missing the mark by 0,4%), maybe people realized that when everyone and their mother has access to loads of copies of an item, the said item becomes absolutely worthless and meaningless.


Jagex may be incompetent in many things, but with polling they've learned a few things; with the loyalty point poll they realized that a majority smaller than 75% still leaves room for plenty of controversy, and that requiring 75% yes means that your idea that you're polling is much more thought-out than if you accepted any majority. And by making the OSRS poll for information gathering only, they avoided the tradeable discontinued items from failing as an actual poll, which would've been harder to repoll had it been an actual poll.
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28-Jun-2019 22:12:58

Whatusaytome
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Draco, i dont even play this game anymore, so i dont gain anything from this until I either get a computer and have the spare time to play. I support the gains for every other player, as EVERYBODY has something to gain from this.

Nobody has anything to lose, at all. Because the suggestion doesnt do anything to the original items, Nothing you will see that comes from Solomon's will be the same as the item that came from the event. So there is no loss to anybody.

Can you explain IN A NEW POST, what loss there is? can you explain why anybody has any reason to say no? I dont think you can.

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You claim i dont read posts, but you literally said, in my thread elsewhere, that you cant be bothered to read a long post. But, Blackwing still cant say anything in a response to me, so lets be even more real, the person not reading posts is him, not you, and since you agree with him, that means your posts are as uninformed as his.

Plus, Blackwing seems to be only capable of posting about the polling, he doesnt have an opinion on the actual topic. He cant seem to tell us how the suggestion, which Jagex suggested first, is actually harmful to the game.
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28-Jun-2019 22:28:46

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blackwing : I do read ur posts, the poll to add discontinued items for oras did not get the 75% needed to pass , so no people are not fine with it,if they were it would of passed and the loyalty one would of failed but the loyalty one passed so yes, most people want to get the items your not shareing.

Draco: people don't choose to miss the event it could be 1, they didn't have an account back then and just started playing this year and want the items since they better or 2 they didn't have the time to complete it due to various reasons, also nothing is lost on rereleasing cause they have no value I don't see how you fail to see this, you want party hats to return which would make it lose their value to include personal on those due to the rarity and the fact they are from the original rs and it would mess up the ingame economy,the untradeables are a different story as it wouldn't harm the game in any way, besides if they release to solmons we wouldn't be getting the actual item just a cosmetic override ,meaning personal value is still kept cause those with the orgianl item still has it . so theres no issue . STOP trying to stop jagex from fixing their mistake with the holiday items . the items were never intended to be discontinued jagex realized this and was trying to fix their huge mistake, but then you greedy folks wont even let them fix their own game or the massive issue that should not have been.
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28-Jun-2019 22:37:51

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Would also like say say Blackwing is comparing Apples to Oranges when he compares a poll in oldschool for first-time discontinued items to start being made... to a poll for a game that has untradable discontinued items that can plausibly come back without taking anything away from anybody.

These are entirely incomparable polls. They have no relevance to eachother.
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28-Jun-2019 22:49:54

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Pikachu78 said :
blackwing : I do read ur posts, the poll to add discontinued items for oras did not get the 75% needed to pass , so no people are not fine with it,if they were it would of passed and the loyalty one would of failed but the loyalty one passed so yes, most people want to get the items your not shareing.

But it did: for an OSRS poll (an actual poll, not an information gathering poll) to pass, it must not reach 25% or more "no" votes. Untradeable discontinued holiday items received 23,9% votes against, so if the poll had been an actual poll, it would have passed. Tradeable discontinued holiday items received 25,4% votes against, so they would've failed by 0,4%, but nonetheless one type of discontinued items would have been added to the game if it came down to the votes and not a technicality of the poll not being an actual poll.

If only you read this with thought, you'd understand, because numbers don't lie, Jagex simply chose to do nothing like it did with the loyalty point poll result. Only difference is that first time (loyalty point poll) Jagex learned through error, while the second time (OSRS poll) they knew to be careful in advance thanks to the first.
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28-Jun-2019 22:54:06

Whatusaytome
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Key words. For an OSRS POLL TO PASS. This was NOT AN OSRS POLL.

You cannot speak for Jagex, acting like "they learned their lesson" just because of your assumptions on how they poll.

Get over it. Jagex can do anything with these items. Even rerelease them for free in a game drop, and still not harm anybody at all. It's physically impossible.

A few entitled brats might complain about their pathetic sense of historical value, acting like their history is more important than any amount of new players joining the game who says they wish they could have something.

There's no benefit to anybody with historical value. The game isnt alive because of old players staying, it will only survive long if they can continue to attract more new people.

Nobody complaining in this thread, like Blackwing, even uses their holiday items, and tens of thousands of newer people will start using them when the chance is given to them. There's no harm to any current owners and absolutely nothing they can realistically complain about.

What, you can't tell who is actually a veteran player? What do you do when they arent wearing anything?
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28-Jun-2019 23:05:16

Draco Burnz
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Whatusaytome said :
Draco, i dont even play this game anymore, so i dont gain anything from this until I either get a computer and have the spare time to play. I support the gains for every other player, as EVERYBODY has something to gain from this.


If you dont play this anymore, why is this such a big deal?

You just lost all credibility with this.

Also no only the ppl who dont have the items are the ones who gain from this as what would the ppl with the items gain?

They already have it so they get absolutely nothing if they get rereleased.
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29-Jun-2019 05:26:54

Whatusaytome
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You seem to think there's a lot of people with all of them. I think the closest to that is Ladyolake, who says she only ever missed one event ever. She probably has the least to gain, but she is still supportive as long as it's got Copy or something to tell it apart. Which I was against at first but not anymore.

Other than that, it's just unlikely that there's anybody else with nothing to gain. I think I'm correct in saying everybody who has commented so far has something to gain with it.

Why does that even matter? Every single new player after the early 2000s would have plenty to gain. And nobody has anything to lose. And regardless if it's for Loyalty, or Runecoins, Jagex make their money from it. It's a win win on all sides.

Also, not that this is important, but it matters to me because there's a lot of holiday items I missed, and since when I do play, I spend my time in game mostly fashionscaping and talking to friends, if I were to start playing again, this is something I'd use.

Regardless it's something I've wanted since long before joining the forums, and then I happened across the suggestion and strongly support it.
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29-Jun-2019 15:09:12

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