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Turksta

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Draco Burnz said :
Turksta said :
Agreed.

Disagreed. Which is why i have come to the conclusion that my opinions matters not as you can't win everyone over. This is why i support identical items so both parties are happy for the most part (e.g chicken outfit > ghost chicken outfit)

13-Oct-2018 05:39:53

Qwis7
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Whatusaytome said :
Lmfao qwis, you spew the exact same bullshit excuse that I constantly say is unaffected. And you obviously do not understand a thing if this is what your interpretation of my post is.

You say put yourself on a pedestal above everybody else because you are more important and nobody is allowed to have holiday fun on the holidays, because only a person who has played that holiday every previous year is allowed to enjoy it properly.

Only you are allowed to enjoy the holidays? Is that what historical value is? Untradeable items that don't benefit your gameplay cannot be given to more people because, for some reason, showing I played Xmas 2008 matters more than letting 10+ future years of new people roleplay as Santa during the Xmas season in a role-playing game?

Yes, I call all of that selfish as fuck. Me, me, me. My values matter more than letting people enjoy the game the way the items were really meant for. Holiday enjoyment for as many people as possible is my goal, here. What's yours? Making sure only you and Blackwing can enjoy xmas?
Sir you just have to calm down and don't be this offending.
You just proof that you want to get the items no matter what happens.
You do not think about the opposite side and that sir makes you a selfish person.


Again yes I did take the most important things you would like to see and the once form the opposite side and mixed it.
Yet you are still not happy only if the person say : Support or just agree with the older items fully back, but override able.

Yes you have to make sacrifices and you are unwilling to do this that sir makes you selfish.

14-Oct-2018 15:56:42

Qwis7
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Turksta said :
Draco Burnz said :
Turksta said :
Agreed.

Disagreed. Which is why i have come to the conclusion that my opinions matters not as you can't win everyone over. This is why i support identical items so both parties are happy for the most part (e.g chicken outfit > ghost chicken outfit)

This is indeed the perfect solution in my opinion to, but this makes us selfish somehow in Whatusaytome eyes.

14-Oct-2018 15:58:51

Whatusaytome
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Hi Blackwing - I know it's not about you specifically, it's more you as in the group who want to leave it as it is [sort of the group you're "representing"]. It's really not a personal attack or anything. I do apologise if it comes across that way, sometimes I struggle to find the right words. :)

I think we're opposite sides of the same coin - you're wanting to preserve the rewards & loyalty of the players, whereas I'm trying preserve the content Jagex created.

At the moment, all the work that's gone into the past events is just sitting around gathering dust, and I think that's a shame. The older rewards are only getting rarer as the veteran player pool will only get smaller and smaller until one day they become extinct. It just feels like such a waste of development time.

If it's really that important, make the reward from completing the new event a cosmetic override to differentiate them from original physical items. That way real veterans can still show off without having anything taken away from them, and the new players still get to enjoy the fun holiday items.

As always, I do welcome your input and I still hope to find some sort of compromise.

Forgive me, Shifu, for using your post. But your explanation is great, and is relatable here.

Qwis, I already stated many reasons why bringing them back is not harmful at all to anybody on any side of the argument. I even tried saying there is no gain from keeping them this "correct" way you guys believe.

I have stated ways it makes more players have fun in this game they play, as well as making sure only the people who actually want them can get them by not giving them for free by selling them for membership loyalty points.

If you can't see any of that as me trying to compromise, where you guys constantly say not doing anything at all is better and makes the game live longer.. I think it's you who are unwilling.
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14-Oct-2018 16:22:11

Whatusaytome
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Now.. Using the link above by Shifu, he has a thread saying allow us to replay the events, and I have this extra idea as a compromise thanks to it.

What if this portal came to be, and the holiday events for each holiday were replayable at any point. Any player could play them for the sheer nostalgia of an event they remember loving. And the nostalgic effect alone could make this a popular idea in general. I support the replaying of events whether they directly reward us or not.

My alternative compromise however uses this in conjunction with Solomon's Store. A player would not be able to purchase the event item unless they completed that corresponding event in the portal. Would that be fair?

Since Blackwing said something along the lines of "it's not the same experience without all of those people doing it with you, and getting a reward that matched the event of that time" I'd like you to consider that, there's well over a dozen years of new players who have not done most of these events due to not actually being able to.. And this portal let's us play those events of that time.

These events and the portals can still be publicly open like they were, maybe publicly instanced, and it would be an extremely similar scene to how it was back then.

...

If that's still not a good enough compromise, I'd possibly support limiting the portals to being playable only during those holidays. Such as, you can only complete Halloween events during the current event period, and can only purchase as many past rewards as you have loyalty points for. Even saying you cannot get any older rewards without the year more recent years first, like Shifu said similarly in his thread. Such as you cannot get 2015 unless you have 2016 17 and 18. And no 2004 without all 2005-2018.

Is any of that compromising to you?
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14-Oct-2018 16:22:20 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2018 16:41:30 by Whatusaytome

Qwis7
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Whatusaytome.
Like I have did say many time you should stop to talk like I'm the one that do not want it fully returned.

I already did say plenty enough times that I only suggest a way so both sides can have a bit of all the things and say both sides have to make compromises.
I personal do not care what happen, but I can imagen the problems form both sides.
I also do see that both sides are selfish in there own way.


The way you talk now is a way better.
So I think this needs a compliment to.

15-Oct-2018 18:24:55

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Pikachu78 said :
player poll passed ,years ago, lets see them in this store already or at least an update on their progress
Jagex already made it quite clear from the 4 years of no action and changing the threshold for polls to pass from 50% yes to 75%, that they invalidated this poll. And it's easy to see why if you think about it: there's always a portion of players on the "yes" group that either vote yes even though they really don't care that much, because they don't realize what the consequences to the game integrity are going to be like, or they do realize but don't care because they personally aren't affected negatively from that poll. That's why they changed to 75% threshold: it's a much better indicator that the update/change is actually healthy for the game, while minimizing the potential amount of quitters from such an update/change.
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16-Oct-2018 09:19:30

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