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H4rry said :
Mistake or not, all I'm trying to say is discontinued stuff does get re-released. And only Jagex benefiting from it isn't entirely true. Anyone who doesn't own whatever was previously discontinued benefits from it.

Yet what you fail to see is that if people didn't accept Jagex being greedy like this, those MTX cosmetics wouldn't be behind additional paywalls, which would increase the audience who can get them. And if so many people truly cared about getting them not for their exclusivity, those same people could instead vote with their wallets such that those cosmetics wouldn't get discontinued in the first place.

If people want to stop this vicious cycle, they have to stop asking for rereleases and instead make it clear that they want any new cosmetics to be always available. That way, Jagex doesn't get their money as well (in addition to the money they received by falsely advertising a "discontinued" cosmetic to those who bought it for that), so Jagex is forced to decide which makes the most money and stick to that, instead of milking both players, and both players being treated like idiots.

(P.S. The above might sound pretty confusing at first, so I hope you re-read it enough many times so that you fully understand it, before/if replying to it.)


H4rry said :
By the way, making them available for loyalty points would yield profit. I would change my monthly subscription to yearly purely for the large chunk of loyalty points to get my hands on a discontinued Holiday item.

Congratulations; you're playing yourself when you don't even need to. Those items were either completely free of charge in the past, or at most required membership to obtain, not loyalty points as well, so there's no reason for them to cost loyalty points now.

Unless, of course, you made alternative versions that looked slightly different, since then it wouldn't be the same.
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09-Jul-2019 14:07:01

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H4rry said :
Shit ain't free, and Jagex is a company. Don't be surprised when they try to make money.

Why some people defend unethical business practices "because companies have to make money" (or similar sentiments) I'll never understand... I mean, you do realize that Jagex already makes millions in profits from membership revenue alone to sell the access to members content? They sure as hell don't need to paywall individual items, when selling the game experience as a whole already earns them hefty profits. They'd do just fine without all this extra greed, you can see it for yourself from their own financial documents, available online at Companies House for everyone to see. I recommend having a read before repeating the above quote again.


H4rry said :
Every single bloody aspect of this quote is absolutely dead and buried, burned, drowned, cremated, and decimated. We have seen rewards returned in three different Christmas events. So, if that's not fair on those who got them originally, then why is it fair that not all of them are re-released? Again, you can't have the best of both worlds. It's either they're all re-released, or none of them are.

If an item was supposed to be discontinued, or vice versa if an item was supposed to be always available, then changing that fact after people already got them is disingenuous. Yes, I get that it's easy to feel envious when only some of them were rereleased instead of all, especially if the ones you would've wanted weren't, but if you were never promised them in the first place, how were you wronged? Being tempted is not the same as being wronged.

And nope, you can have both, it just won't be as ideal as it could be. Nothing stops it, no physical nor psychological force. How would the game exist as it is today if it wasn't possible, when we're living it now?
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09-Jul-2019 14:08:30

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Loyalty points are literally benefits people can use to buy extra content all thanks to just paying membership. The store has been around for years and does not require Runecoins to exist. Loyalty Points as a currency for old cosmetics is probably the most effective means of rerelease without losing any value on anything while further endorsing membership sales.

Unless Blackwing can explain an even more plausible idea for once, instead of complaining all day. I see nothing being gained by his arguments, no company profit, no new items for anybody, just complaints about Jagex not matching his ideal world.
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09-Jul-2019 20:40:48

H4rry
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Sharp-shin said :
Yet what you fail to see is that if people didn't accept Jagex being greedy like this, those MTX cosmetics wouldn't be behind additional paywalls, which would increase the audience who can get them. And if so many people truly cared about getting them not for their exclusivity, those same people could instead vote with their wallets such that those cosmetics wouldn't get discontinued in the first place.

You treat this like they have a gun to your head during the MTX promotions and are forcing you to buy Runecoins in order to get the currency used during the event. In all of these events you acquired the currency through skilling, and PvM. The third option by YOUR choice entirely, is Runecoins. Every player can participate in the events, even without paying real money.

Sharp-shin said :

Congratulations; you're playing yourself when you don't even need to. Those items were either completely free of charge in the past, or at most required membership to obtain, not loyalty points as well, so there's no reason for them to cost loyalty points now.

It was polled to be released for loyalty points, and this thread is about them returning for loyalty points.

Sharp-shin said :

Why some people defend unethical business practices "because companies have to make money"

Again, the only thing locked behind paywalls is membership. Even then you can get membership through playing the game. We are never forced in any promotion to purchase Runecoins, membership, TH keys, anything. I don't understand, if you see Jagex as this dubious, selfish, money-grabbing, paywall-locking company then why play?

09-Jul-2019 21:34:56 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2019 22:16:54 by H4rry

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Sharp-shin said :
but if you were never promised them in the first place, how were you wronged? Being tempted is not the same as being wronged.


Because what we were promised is that they would NEVER be re-released. But now we know that just wasn't true now was it? So because they can and have been re-released, why not re-release them all? By doing this, nobody will be wronged. Everybody will be equal.

Sharp-shin said :

And nope, you can have both, it just won't be as ideal as it could be.


You talk a lot about Jagex doing things that are mistakes without any real evidence to show it was a mistake, yet when I show Jagex completely going back on their word it's "not ideal" and can just happen?

09-Jul-2019 21:54:29

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The way I see it, these objects should not be re-released. It's false valor.

For example the Bunny Ears and Scythe, those two in particular are historical items only available to those who got them during the early Runescape Classic Era almost 2 decades ago. They are iconic of that time and to freely give them away now would completely rob them of their meaning as "you were not there".

It's not so much the items themselves but rather a distinguisher that you were there and present during that particular time in Runescape history.

10-Jul-2019 19:00:04

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Which is important how?

Why do I need to care if a person played since the beginning or on a specific Christmas or not? And how would a replica actually take away from that?

All I see with bunny ears is a cosmetic that almost 20 years worth of new players can never have.
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10-Jul-2019 21:13:46

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That's on you dude. You gotta be there or be square. I think they even reference that fact directly on the Deathcon T-Shirt "Been there, done that, got this."

It's not so much just having exclusive swag, but an indicator that you were there at that specific time and participated at that event. Re-introduce them and it messes the up the whole thing.

Try not to get jelous, It's just cosmetics anyway, once you get older you'll understand, they are kind of a digital memorabilia for some people.

TLDR: YOU'll understand when you get older,

11-Jul-2019 16:48:23 - Last edited on 11-Jul-2019 17:36:49 by MapleStory

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You do understand what is meant by Replicas, right?

A replica Mona Lisa has almost no worth while the original is priceless in a museum. A replica copy of a cosmetic is a copy that has no worth or timestamps, while the original bunny ears somebody today might have retains every ounce of it's history.

Do you think timestamping something so miniscule is actually helping anybody?
I also asked, why is this important? Why do I need to care if some random person played any specific event?

Blackwing and yourself say that this shows they played at a specific time. And therefore separates them from veteran capes. But that's incorrect. A person with bunny ears may have played that event and has never played again until today, and you'd never tell the difference. So why is it important that I know any player played on a specific day?

Btw, I'm 28, I don't need to get older to understand sentiment. I just don't put sentiment on inconsequential things.
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11-Jul-2019 20:48:08

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