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H4rry said :
Pawn Stars, a show where people buy and sell goods. They NEVER buy a replica of an original because it does not hold the save value of an original. What I'm trying to say is that a replica does not hold the same value of an original, whether they look identical or not.

Okay, but this still doesn't answer the questions I have:

1. What goods are people buying and selling?
2. Who are the buyers and for what purpose do they buy the whatever goods people sell?
3. How is the difference between originals and replicas identified?

Thing is, this might go too much off-topic, so is it really worth it?


H4rry said :
Shadow Hunter Outfit. Wikipedia states it is a discontinued outfit available for only 3 months in 2013. Then we saw it re-released in 2017, 2018, and now 2019.

*snip for space*

These items would have actually had real value as they were obtained with real money, or in-game money. If it was really a mistake then why has it happened multiple times? And just because they're not holiday items it doesn't make it different. They're discontinued and they were re-released.

Pure corporate greed, that's why those rereleases happened. Jagex knows all too well that people desire to have exclusive stuff, so they keep trying to confuse people and make it uncertain whether an exclusive like one of those will come back or not. I don't know how good it is to them financially, but I do know it's a mistake from the player perspective: people who desire exclusives are taken advantage of and then thrown under the bus, while those who don't, have to keep constant attention to RS news to not miss out on rereleases that may or may not happen, and if they do, when.
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07-Jul-2019 18:13:09

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H4rry said :
Sharp-shin said :

I was talking about actions, not words: if the 2016 Xmas rereleases hadn't been a mistake, Jagex would've repeated the action already, but they haven't, because it was a mistake.


But adding onto this, let's just say that it does make a difference whether or not the items are holiday items specifically. Well, in that case all I really needa show you is this.

An item labelled discontinued from 2014 being re-released in 2017. Guess they didn't learn their lesson in 2016 did they? Surely they won't make this mistake again, because clearly this is a mistake right? Wrong. The Rubber Turkey, and multiple other discontinued things became once again available in the 2018 Christmas Event.

It depends which lesson you're talking about: to not rerelease any discontinued stuff? No, they didn't learn that. To not rerelease discontinued holiday items? This doesn't disprove that. These cosmetics are MTX-related, Treasure Hunter to be exact. Real holiday items come from actual holiday events, not from MTX events.

Still, once again as with the previous exclusives you mentioned: it was still a mistake from the player perspective to rerelease these exclusives. In addition to taking advantage of those who desired exclusives, they ruined some people's banks just so they could pull a quick MTX cash grab. And for the others, those who haven't got the items, are left to wonder when another rerelease is going to happen, or if there's going to be one at all. Hell, even those who bought it without caring for the exclusivity, might be taken advantage of later with a free rerelease, which they might have waited for had they known of it in advance.
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07-Jul-2019 18:13:18

H4rry
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Sharp-shin said :


1. What goods are people buying and selling?
2. Who are the buyers and for what purpose do they buy the whatever goods people sell?
3. How is the difference between originals and replicas identified?

Thing is, this might go too much off-topic, so is it really worth it?

To put it short
1. They buy and sell anything and everything.
2. They buy to either collect, or re-sell.
3. Minor minor details (something so minuscule that a professional is called to evaluate)
The point I'm trying to make is replicas do not hold the same value of original items, even when identical.


Sharp-shin said :

Paragraph 2

And whether their intentions were for greed or not, the point is it still happened. Discontinued items do get re-released.

Sharp-shin said :

Paragraph 3 & 4.

The Christmas cracker crate was part of the 2018 Christmas event. ("
Christmas cracker paper was a currency earned via skilling and PvM during the 2018 Christmas event ." - Wiki) And was originally from the 2014 Christmas Event ("Enchanted snowballs are items used in the 2014 Christmas event , and are used to gain rewards such as rubber turkeys" - Wiki). MTX money-grab or not, they're still part of the Christmas event, and are holiday items.

The only negativity from this was the money players lost on the rubber turkeys. Nobody gave a shit about the plushies, sweaters, and whatever else was re-released that is untradable, or costs next to nothing from the tokens.

But the 2016 Event wasn't the only instance of returning discontinued items.
2014 saw the return of the tinsel snake pet from 2011.
2015 saw the return of the ice amulet from 2008.
So surely if it was a mistake, they would have learned this from the first 2 instances of re-releasing discontinued items.

08-Jul-2019 05:00:45

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H4rry said :
To put it short
1. They buy and sell anything and everything.
2. They buy to either collect, or re-sell.
3. Minor minor details (something so minuscule that a professional is called to evaluate)
The point I'm trying to make is replicas do not hold the same value of original items, even when identical.

If that was your point, then this is going nowhere: my point was that even if there's a slight difference in name when you go to the examine interface, it'd be too hidden away to matter that it might as well not exist at all then. But it needs to.

H4rry said :
And whether their intentions were for greed or not, the point is it still happened. Discontinued items do get re-released.

Sure. But so what? A mistake from the player perspective or a mistake from both perspectives makes no difference to players. When Jagex does something out of greed instead of what is right, only Jagex benefits from it.


H4rry said :
The Christmas cracker crate was part of the 2018 Christmas event. ("
Christmas cracker paper was a currency earned via skilling and PvM during the 2018 Christmas event." - Wiki) And was originally from the 2014 Christmas Event ("Enchanted snowballs are items used in the 2014 Christmas event, and are used to gain rewards such as rubber turkeys" - Wiki). MTX money-grab or not, they're still part of the Christmas event, and are holiday items.

If you want to argue about semantics (whether something can be called X or not), I'm gonna save time and let you win it if it really matters to you; far more important to me is the fact that when MTX is involved in something, it always causes the game development in that area to degenerate. Like for example, despite using words and wording that has made certain MTX cosmetics sound like discontinued, Jagex threw those people under the bus just to make more quick money.
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08-Jul-2019 14:38:10

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The reason for that is simple: anything that involves MTX is designed with least effort possible to yield the best profit margin possible. When you don't give a damn in the first place when making the MTX, it's no surprise that you don't care to keep your word either when selling them, hence why so many MTX cosmetics have been rereleased.

When you compare that to holiday items like the Christmas wand, which were not involved in MTX, it's no surprise why it hasn't been rereleased: it'd yield no profit to do so, because it's just one tiny part of the whole game experience that you then hopefully buy membership for.


H4rry said :
The only negativity from this was the money players lost on the rubber turkeys. Nobody gave a shit about the plushies, sweaters, and whatever else was re-released that is untradable, or costs next to nothing from the tokens.

If you don't care about discontinuity on untradeables, that's fine, just as it is fine for someone to not care about monetary values if they don't care about money. Many people care about one or both, though. If nobody cared about the former, Jagex would've rereleased these holiday items already, all those people wouldn't have voted no on the loyalty point poll, and all those people wouldn't have voted in favor of untradeable discontinued items to OSRS. Belittling that value doesn't make it go away.

Besides, people losing their banks for a betrayal like that is reason enough alone for those rereleases to have been a mistake.


H4rry said :
But the 2016 Event wasn't the only instance of returning discontinued items.
2014 saw the return of the tinsel snake pet from 2011.
2015 saw the return of the ice amulet from 2008.
So surely if it was a mistake, they would have learned this from the first 2 instances of re-releasing discontinued items.

Well, I mean, they did stop doing it for years, so... eh?
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08-Jul-2019 14:38:14

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Sharp-shin said :
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Well that's what I'm trying to say. Any difference is a difference. Making it not what the original is, but a copy simply to cater to those who missed the original, without diminishing whatever sentimental value a person holds to their item. But it seems we can't agree on this so let's just move on.

Sharp-shin said :

Sure. But so what? A mistake from the player perspective or a mistake from both perspectives makes no difference to players. When Jagex does something out of greed instead of what is right, only Jagex benefits from it.

Mistake or not, all I'm trying to say is discontinued stuff does get re-released. And only Jagex benefiting from it isn't entirely true. Anyone who doesn't own whatever was previously discontinued benefits from it.

Sharp-shin said :

paragraph 3, 4 & 5

Cash grab or not, they're holiday items and were re-released. Holiday items like Christmas Wand (but not including Christmas Wand) was re-released.
By the way, making them available for loyalty points would yield profit. I would change my monthly subscription to yearly purely for the large chunk of loyalty points to get my hands on a discontinued Holiday item.
Shit ain't free, and Jagex is a company. Don't be surprised when they try to make money.

Sharp-shin said :

paragraph 6 & 7

But they have re-released holiday items already. And the poll tolled in at over 50% in favour of re-release, which at the time was a pass. So why should only some suffer? You can either re-release holiday items, or you don't. You can't have both. And seeing as they've already been re-released, they can't be un-re-released. So why not release them all?

08-Jul-2019 17:27:48

H4rry
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The only reason that the poll got negative feedback after it passed is because of this quote from 2009.

As for bringing back old rewards; I can confirm that this is NOT going to happen. I can understand how much you want them (I've got most of the non-tradeable rewards but missed out on the Snow Globe which I think is a great reward) - but if I were to give these rewards to everyone they would lose their sparkle. Also it just wouldn't be fair to those who got them originally.
I can also confirm that the Christmas event's reward will NOT be tradeable. This would give players a notable in-game advantage - as eventually they'd be worth a lot of cash.



— Mod Edam on holiday items

Every single bloody aspect of this quote is absolutely dead and buried, burned, drowned, cremated, and decimated. We have seen rewards returned in three different Christmas events. So, if that's not fair on those who got them originally, then why is it fair that not all of them are re-released? Again, you can't have the best of both worlds. It's either they're all re-released, or none of them are. Edit: I should add, when I say this, I only mean untradables.
Christmas event's rewards will NOT be tradable? Holly Wreath. Black Santa Hat. Need I say any more?

Sharp-shin said :

Well, I mean, they did stop doing it for years, so... eh?

Just because they stopped re-releasing stuff, doesn't mean they're not doing it anymore.

Last year we had no mini-quest event. The year before we had snowboards re-released but with new designs. Bet you were happy about that one! So while in your eyes we did not have any more re-released items, we technically did.

08-Jul-2019 17:42:01 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2019 05:53:17 by H4rry

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