RuneScape Forum Archive | Past holiday items for sale

Sharp-shin

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H4rry said :
Can't believe I have to explain this. No I did not play 48 hours straight, no I did not buy any runecoins, or bonds. I played the game like I would any other time of the year. I killed shit. I got boat materials. I handed them in. Event done. Took me maybe 16 hours play time in total? Yes that is significantly longer than the events, but you're just playing the game like you would any day.

You kinda had to, because you obviously knew yourself how you completed the event, but I didn't because I am not you, and I'm no mind reader either.

It was as I expected though: it took you significantly longer than a good quality holiday event would have. That you're able to play the game normally is no excuse when the event is available for a limited time only, let alone for a mere 2 weeks. I'd wager that you're just like me, a person who plays a lot during spare time, but I hope you realize that lots of people don't have that luxury, and there are people joining/returning to the game mid-event, so they don't have all that time to play, and that's excluding the desire to only play Runescape during that time as well.

Jagex does not design MTX to be optional, a business simply doesn't work like that.

Jagex keeps it up because they've seen from their numbers that people fall for the time pressure, and end up having to buy the MTX because they don't have the time or desire to play the game that much during that specific time period.

In comparison, if you could earn those rewards from gameplay at any time, the sales numbers on those MTX sales would crash down to almost nothing. All because of the time pressure being exploited by Jagex.

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13-Jul-2019 19:50:41

Sharp-shin

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H4rry said :
You don't need to opt-in or opt-out. You can just not take part in it? It's not a compulsory event. Sure you get boat materials but if you don't like it then just don't hand them in and partake? You're forgetting that MTX events don't reward players with purely cosmetics but a lot of experience and items that have a GP value. Jagex giving out free experience and GP would royally fuck the economy and make the game piss-easy to play. This wouldn't be good for both players and Jagex.

Why would you pretend that these events don't already fuck the economy with the non-cosmetic rewards? They inject so much exp and gp to the game as it is that they're already unhealthy for the game, and those handouts should be removed completely, even from the opt-in/opt-out method.

Regarding the "why not just not take part?",

you must if you want the cosmetic rewards (and in a way the other rewards as well)

. Notice that I'm talking about the events themselves being anti-consumer, not bashing the cosmetics themselves. If somebody wants them, they're forced to take part in the scummy events, or they won't get them.

H4rry said :
But then some were re-released. And it was polled and passed that they should all be re-released. Is it not a lie that they're not all re-released then? Even without the poll, having some re-released when we were promised a constant discontinuation of all the items results in a constant lie. And how could this be fixed? Releasing them all.

If an item that is meant to be discontinued is kept as such, there is no lie regarding that item; it's as it should be. So no, even without the poll, there never would've been a reason to rerelease items that are meant to be discontinued. The poll itself though is another lie: "we lied to you before, should we do it again?" is essentially what was polled.

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13-Jul-2019 19:50:46

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2020

Whatusaytome

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Sharp-shin said :

Jagex does not design MTX to be optional, a business simply doesn't work like that.

Jagex keeps it up because they've seen from their numbers that people fall for the time pressure, and end up having to buy the MTX because they don't have the time or desire to play the game that much during that specific time period.
In case you're unaware, Solomon's store is entirely optional mtx. Auras can help with pvm and Skilling, but are not necessary, and there's no time restriction on them. Yet they sell, constantly.

Same with Legendary Pets. Lots of people like the Shadow series Drake, so they keep asking for it to return, and it eventually will again. (Hopefully though, there will be an option for the people whom dislike the pets can enjoy their gameplay without them, because everybody hates lag. And the combat academy is a clear example of how not having to see other people's pets at all times is a good thing.) But the Drake will still sell when it's rereleased. Guaranteed.

Overall, mtx of any kind in this game is optional. If you are skilled enough, membership and every Solomon's item in it can cost you zero dollars. And you act like replicas of holiday items will change that.

As long as there are bonds, Jagex sells gold for cheap. And as long as there are players with jobs and income, bonds will be bought, then sold in game. Making free membership and mtx possible for better players. But you complain that people want to buy cosmetics.

If people are around to play the event when it's happening, then they will still play it. They shouldn't feel forced because of it being a once in a lifetime chance at a small prize. Replicas of the prize don't take anything away from the people with the original prize from the event. The original still shows you were there.

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13-Jul-2019 20:23:17 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2019 20:25:24 by Whatusaytome

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2022

H4rry

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Sharp-shin said :
Post 1

So basically what you're saying is what you disagreed on before. It's not our fault that we did not have time to participate in the event. Therefore, both MTX event and Holiday event cosmetic rewards should return to the loyalty store for players to enjoy? Problem solved?

You can earn them at any time. It's called treasure hunter.

Sharp-shin said :

Why would you pretend that these events don't already fuck the economy with the non-cosmetic rewards? They inject so much exp and gp to the game as it is that they're already unhealthy for the game, and those handouts should be removed completely, even from the opt-in/opt-out method.

Never said that they didn't. I'm saying that YOUR suggestion would royally fuck it even more. Remove the exp and gp injection and make the event purely cosmetic? Sure. I will 100% agree with you there. Only then should MTX be free. Otherwise, no. MTX shouldn't be free.

This is probably getting extremely off-topic might I add, so we should wrap the MTX shit up.

Sharp-shin said :

If an item that is meant to be discontinued is kept as such, there is no lie regarding that item; it's as it should be. So no, even without the poll, there never would've been a reason to rerelease items that are meant to be discontinued. The poll itself though is another lie: "we lied to you before, should we do it again?" is essentially what was polled.

The poll wasn't a lie. It was a chance for the players to vote as a community to make a change. When the poll passed this gave Jagex the green light to release them all without the burden of a lie. The real lie was then not releasing them all, after the poll had passed.

14-Jul-2019 04:45:36

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2023

MapleStory

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H4rry said :

The poll wasn't a lie. It was a chance for the players to vote as a community to make a change. When the poll passed this gave Jagex the green light to release them all without the burden of a lie. The real lie was then not releasing them all, after the poll had passed.

No it doesn't, that poll means nothing. This isn't OSRS, content is not dictated by player based polling.

That poll you are sighting is from 2014 ... and can hardly be considered relevant going into 2020 and beyond... Jagex already offered an official statement regarding that poll in a stream and said despite the win, they decided not to do this as it would devalue the rewards too much.

And No, I'm not lording the fact that I have Bunny Ears over you or anyone. That's clearly your own jealousy and insecurity that's directing your thoughts towards such stupidity. Try living your own life without harboring a resentment towards people who have the things you don't and stop trying to tear the entire system down just because you can't get what you want.

It's un-American. :\

These things have a value, something someone like you could never understand. They are an achievement of loyalty, a symbol for people who have stood by this game for (almost) literal decades. Impossible to quantify, I would even argue they have more meaning than something like a Party Hat which can be freely bought and sold.

Stop thinking about yourself and look at the bigger picture.

17-Jul-2019 22:51:23 - Last edited on 17-Jul-2019 23:14:31 by MapleStory

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2020

Whatusaytome

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How about you stop resenting people for wanting to wear cosmetics. Stop thinking about yourself and see the big picture, a replica of the prize is not the original prize that shows you were at the event. Therefore no value is lost. The original shows you were there, nothing will change that!

You can cry for the initial period after it's done all you want, you will get over it when you realize how many people are made happier because of it.

Partyhats have an actual, incredibly high value because they are obtainable still to this day. Your items dont have that value because nobody else can get them, therefore any value it does have is only a nostalgic value, which will be used more when other people have replicas, by giving you more reason to show off your originals.

You want to brag about yours being special? Then go right ahead and do it. Just wear the originals when you party with people and you will be in the spotlight able to brag about your value all you want.

So get over yourself and let people wear replicas, all it does is give you more opportunity to show off your originals. Claim that value to its fullest.

There is no value of age, because like I said, a person could pull the same bullshit you complain about veteran capes, by doing an event and never playing again. But they have more value than anybody who was long term, who missed events, at least according to you.

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17-Jul-2019 23:40:01

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2023

MapleStory

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How high are you right now? It doesn't matter if it's a Cosmetic Override or not, that is not an excuse. It would still be stealing their visual representation and a double slap in the face as most people had to buy keepsake keys just to convert them into cosmetic overrides in the first place.

Complete lack of self awareness, not only are you asking for a virtually identical replica of an item you don't even deserve but you also want it pre-keepsaked as well? Shameful.

18-Jul-2019 00:31:53 - Last edited on 18-Jul-2019 03:02:19 by MapleStory

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2022

H4rry

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MapleStory said :

No it doesn't, that poll means nothing. This isn't OSRS, content is not dictated by player based polling.

That poll you are sighting is from 2014 ... and can hardly be considered relevant going into 2020 and beyond... Jagex already offered an official statement regarding that poll in a stream and said despite the win, they decided not to do this as it would devalue the rewards too much.

That's stupid. They don't poll shit for the sake of polling shit. They want to know their community's views and opinions.

Regarding that statement about devaluing rewards. I guess they forgot to consider that when releasing the 2014, 2015 and 2016 Christmas Event rewards, huh?

MapleStory said :

And No, I'm not lording the fact that I have Bunny Ears over you or anyone. That's clearly your own jealousy and insecurity that's directing your thoughts towards such stupidity. Try living your own life without harboring a resentment towards people who have the things you don't and stop trying to tear the entire system down just because you can't get what you want.

Ignorance and elitism.

MapleStory said :

It's un-American. :\

??????????????

MapleStory said :

These things have a value, something someone like you could never understand. They are an achievement of loyalty, a symbol for people who have stood by this game for (almost) literal decades. Impossible to quantify, I would even argue they have more meaning than something like a Party Hat which can be freely bought and sold.

Have you read a thing I've said?

MapleStory said :

Stop thinking about yourself and look at the bigger picture.

Stop thinking about yourself and look at the bigger picture.

18-Jul-2019 05:33:45

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2020

Whatusaytome

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Yo maple, regardless what you say about how you treasure yours so highly.. you are just one person claiming that significance while we both very much want people to have replicas of ours. I don't think I'm being selfish one bit, I want others to be able to enjoy more cosmetics and give us more reasons to use ours.

And I want them to only be able to get them if they show Jagex some Loyalty. Which is more than what I needed to get mine. All I did was play a game to get my items. Small, insignificant games.

If you think the poll is outdated, I'm fine with them redoing it. I'm also fine with a portal to replay the silly games to earn the rewards the same way we did.

Point is I want other people happier and you just want to brag about yourself.

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18-Jul-2019 15:22:22

Sharp-shin

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H4rry said :
So basically what you're saying is what you disagreed on before. It's not our fault that we did not have time to participate in the event. Therefore, both MTX event and Holiday event cosmetic rewards should return to the loyalty store for players to enjoy? Problem solved?

No, not at all. I made the comparison that the difference between MTX and non-MTX holiday events is huge: the former takes many boring grinding hours to complete, while the latter takes give or take one hour of unique gameplay. The latter is easy to complete even for those who join literally on the very last day of the event, and even if said day was a work day for you. And it's simply because the latter is quality, while the former is quantity.

Also with MTX events is that they occur more often too, which again makes it more difficult to complete them all via gameplay because Jagex expects you to play the game every single day nowadays.

H4rry said :
Never said that they didn't. I'm saying that YOUR suggestion would royally fuck it even more. Remove the exp and gp injection and make the event purely cosmetic? Sure. I will 100% agree with you there. Only then should MTX be free. Otherwise, no. MTX shouldn't be free.

This is probably getting extremely off-topic might I add, so we should wrap the MTX shit up.

Glad we agree on something then, though I disagree with the last bit: MTX shouldn't be a thing in a P2P game, ever. You already paid for membership, it already makes Jagex profitable, there's no excuse to have it.

(I also disagree that this is off-topic; you yourself for example wanted MTX holiday events to be treated as any holiday event. But if you don't want to keep talking about this, that's fine by me.)

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18-Jul-2019 15:29:33

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