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Pikachu78 said :
in fact old school polled about making new disconuinted holiday items and well it failed as expected, the runescape community clearly doesnt want holiday items to be discontiuned anymore or ever in either rs2 or rs3 as seen on multiple polls.

Umm, have you even seen the old school's poll? Not only did Jagex clearly state the poll was for "gathering information only" (corporate translation: reviewing the opinions of OSRS players on the subject, to see how they should approach with adding discontinued items to OSRS), but even if they were final polls, untradeable discontinued items would have technically passed, while tradeable discontinued items would have almost passed. Here, I'll even list the numbers for you:

For untradeable discontinued items, only 23.9% disagreed with the idea (that's less than the 25% needed to prevent a poll from passing).

For tradeable discontinued items, 25.4% disagreed with the idea, so the poll would've failed to pass by 0.4%, which is very close if you ask me. Significantly closer than the "holiday items for loyalty points" poll had Jagex used the 75% threshold with it as well.

For both these polls, had they used the same rules as the "holiday items for loyalty points" did back then, they would've passed too.

And again, mind you, these are votes from players who have played a game with no discontinued items; it's a clear sign of the playerbase realizing that without any such items, it takes away from the holiday events, by discouraging participation and making the rewards much less meaningful than if they were discontinued. (Plus like I explained earlier about people wanting merchants to invest into optional cosmetics, rather than useful items like endgame weapons.) > )
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06-Sep-2018 11:54:55 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2018 11:56:14 by Sharp-shin

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Whatusaytome said :
Sharp-shin said :


On the other hand, the players voting against the change/new stuff, do so because they think it would harm the game; these players are likely happy with the current state of the game as well, but if the poll in which they voted against passed, that could ruin the game experience for them, causing them to quit.


So for example, if we look at the holiday item loyalty point poll, the 59% players voting in favor very likely continued to play after the poll closed and nothing happened, because they already were happily playing, while the 41% players voting against very likely would have had some of the players quitting, because a change they did not want was done.
spamming bullshit again, eh Blackwing? Are you going to quit over bunny ears coming back? Is actual gameplay too much for your self important elitist self?

Probably the most self centered prick on these forums. No respect for anybody who wants a cosmetic that doesn't harm the game in any way.

You were never once promised they would never return. And you cannot prove otherwise. I've asked you to numerous times and you instead spew this same bullshit about integrity and vets quitting when neither is true or provable.

Wahhhhhh, Jagex did something I personally dislike, so I am threatening quitting to force it to fail. Coward.
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06-Sep-2018 15:41:44 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2018 16:15:22 by Whatusaytome

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Whatusaytome said :
spamming bullshit again, eh Blackwing? Are you going to quit over bunny ears coming back? Is actual gameplay too much for your self important elitist self?


This is rich coming from you who spams every thread i post in saying i cant not support other views on holiday items.

Whatusaytome said :
You were never once promised they would never return. And you cannot prove otherwise. I've asked you to numerous times and you instead spew this same bullshit about integrity and vets quitting when neither is true or provable.


Yet Mod Edam pretty much hinted at them never returning:

https://puu.sh/BuCdT/5ec4f23a4b.png

https://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/2009_Christmas_event#Development
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14-Sep-2018 01:39:13 - Last edited on 14-Sep-2018 01:40:34 by Draco Burnz

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To an extent, I think us developers (and players) have to accept that holiday items won’t ever be the most-used items in the game, but that doesn’t mean they should be written-off as useless. For me, a good holiday item is one which looks cool and is a bit of fun. More importantly, it should have a distinctive look that’s true to the event it came from. What better way is there to nostalgically say "I was there at Christmas 2009" than by wearing a piece of it?
MOD EDAM


I hope you know that none of this quote has anything to do with discontinuity.

Everybody who can say they were there for the 2009 Xmas event STILL CAN after overrides for the rewards get added to Solomon's. The physical items are still exclusive to the event.

And his comment saying "it should have a distinctive look that's true to the event it came from" is not saying people should only be able to own something if it came from the event. Only that the item from the event should match the design of what the event was for. Nothing about discontinuity or bragging rights.


Saying he 'Hinted' that something will never return when he said absolutely nothing about limiting them or discontinuity is false. If he didn't specifically say they will never come back, they are allowed to come back. So stop posting bullshit and come to me with straight up facts.

Show me something he DID say. Show me something that physically forbids them from ever touching old content again. Show me facts, not misinterpretations.
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14-Sep-2018 23:12:33

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Whatusaytome said :
Show me something he DID say. Show me something that physically forbids them from ever touching old content again. Show me facts, not misinterpretations.


Read the last sentience of that paragraph.

What better way is there to nostalgically say "I was there at Christmas 2009" than by wearing a piece of it?
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15-Sep-2018 00:33:32

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Draco Burnz said :
Whatusaytome said :
Show me something he DID say. Show me something that physically forbids them from ever touching old content again.
Show me facts, not misinterpretations.


Read the last sentience of that paragraph.

What better way is there to nostalgically say "I was there at Christmas 2009" than by wearing a piece of it?
read what I said. Anybody who was there in 2009 for the event STILL has the item version of these items. They can still show they were there and they have absolutely no reason to feel threatened by letting people buy overrides.

Quit being a selfish asshole and let people enjoy the damn game. You aren't special for playing on a holiday one year.
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15-Sep-2018 19:58:52

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I wouldnt want them to come back exactly as they once were.

Ive missed 1 (one) untradeable holiday event (2013 christmas) and even I think
its a bad idea to bring them back.

Even if Jagex never said.... this is one time only .. better get it while you can.... for
this version of Runescape.. the continuing version, we have always as players
understood after the bunny ears that the untradeable items from holidays
wouldnt come back just as phats and masks havent.

I have saw and i mentioned this once that if people had the year they obtained
it in the examine of it, then maybe both player bases (for and against) might be
willing to have a compromise.

sort of off topic but at same time not... the premier token that people were given
this year so they could go back and pick items from past years made some people
upset. so if having "obtained in XXXX" for the year it was obtained would still let
people who had it first have the orginals. Or maybe even put the word "copy" in
any untradeable gotten after the first time.

I honestly believe that Jagex ment them to be released only 1 time when they first
released them but who thought the game would last all these years. Im sure they
run out of ideas.
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15-Sep-2018 20:27:39

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Ladyolake said :
I wouldnt want them to come back exactly as they once were.

Ive missed 1 (one) untradeable holiday event (2013 christmas) and even I think
its a bad idea to bring them back.

Even if Jagex never said.... this is one time only .. better get it while you can.... for
this version of Runescape.. the continuing version, we have always as players
understood after the bunny ears that the untradeable items from holidays
wouldnt come back just as phats and masks havent.

I have saw and i mentioned this once that if people had the year they obtained
it in the examine of it, then maybe both player bases (for and against) might be
willing to have a compromise.

sort of off topic but at same time not... the premier token that people were given
this year so they could go back and pick items from past years made some people
upset. so if having "obtained in XXXX" for the year it was obtained would still let
people who had it first have the orginals. Or maybe even put the word "copy" in
any untradeable gotten after the first time.

I honestly believe that Jagex ment them to be released only 1 time when they first
released them but who thought the game would last all these years. Im sure they
run out of ideas.
we have all as players understood they'd never come back? Speak for yourself. It doesn't make anything better clinging to a "I missed out, but it's my fault" mindset.

Your "separated by year" argument is no different than me supporting Solomon's overrides vs original items. Solomon's overrides are clearly not from the year. The item itself clearly is. If you think overrides harm your beliefs, but a XXXX year version is fine, you are a hypocrite.

I don't care if the premier token that gives new people chances makes people who had the chance already upset. They aren't any more special than the people who missed out.
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15-Sep-2018 21:02:31

Sharp-shin

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Ladyolake said :
I have saw and i mentioned this once that if people had the year they obtained
it in the examine of it, then maybe both player bases (for and against) might be
willing to have a compromise.

sort of off topic but at same time not... the premier token that people were given
this year so they could go back and pick items from past years made some people
upset. so if having "obtained in XXXX" for the year it was obtained would still let
people who had it first have the orginals. Or maybe even put the word "copy" in
any untradeable gotten after the first time.

Examine change alone is very hidden and, due to how the item db works, on its own already forces out a new item entry in this case, so if they were to do that change to examine, they might as well make other change(s) too while they're adding new entries (also IIRC you cannot even examine overrides, so...).

Adding a "copy" or "replica" etc to the name of the new copies would be much more reasonable, although obviously, an even better option would be alternative versions of the originals entirely. That way, both the old and new players get something new, rather than only new players. Win-win for both sides that way. > )
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15-Sep-2018 23:05:38

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