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Stigma Toxin
Apr Member 2021

Stigma Toxin

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So... whether or not jagex will admit it they have officially given their players a "monetary" value for their runescape items.

so if hypothetically Bob hacks me by keylogging my computer then steals 100m worth of runescape items Bob would have officially committed theft because there is now an official exchange rate for runescape items to real world cash.

(£3 / the market price of the bonds. for the sake of this argument we'll use 6M rsgp as it's a nice round figure of 50p per mil.)

Bob has now stolen £50 worth of my items.

now that Bob has broken real world laws shall you, jagex, be referring this to the police?

as far as I can see that's where this update has taken the matter of hacking.

Would like to see a Mod respond to this. :)

Join the club. :)

already happened, lol

25-Sep-2013 19:29:15

Magma Grunt

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I know nobody is going to read this or pay any consideration to it.. But congratulations jagex... Now gold farmers and the places they get their wealth from can hoard these bonds and basically sell them for whatever respective price they please.. You're just feeding the fire you morons... This isn't going to help anything.. EVER... You have to spend irl money to get these bonds.. Or atleast someone does and that is taking advantage of the wealthier part of the runescape economy.. and knocking out the not so wealthy part...

You do realize that people can get bonds from others that are NOT gold farmers, right?

25-Sep-2013 19:30:11

Rev The Wiz
Sep Member 2023

Rev The Wiz

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I fail to see how this will benefit the economy when you are pumping even more money into the game. Disappointing Jagex, disappointing

Jagex are not adding additional gold into the game economy with bonds - instead players are being offered an alternative way to purchase membership and other benefits within the game with their current gold.
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25-Sep-2013 19:30:17

Ganon
Jan Member 2008

Ganon

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In circumstances such as this, we would of-course do everything we can to assist any of our players get their account back. Although bonds, and other items, can be seen as having a perceived value, they do not have an actual real world value. All items are the property of Jagex at all times.

Ultimately you are responsible for the security of your account. If you have followed all of the recommended security steps, including setting up Jagex Account Guard, the likelihood of this kind of attack taking place is very rare.

what if they were to steal bonds? an item I have directly paid for. are bonds still owned by Jagex even if I have bought them from... Jagex...

25-Sep-2013 19:30:38 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 19:31:20 by Ganon

Roeser
Jul Member 2022

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How could you possibly know that 40-50% of the player base engages in RWT by buying gold
because they just need a helping hand?
Do you have a direct line of inquiry with these players? The bottom line is that they engage in RWT.

Your biggest mistake is to not have banned these players outright and immediately .
The excuses for their transgressions are irrelevant
. And, creating this elaborate money-sink bond item to keep them in the fold only serves to exacerbate the cancer you have allowed to remain in the host. The host will surely die.

I am appalled to learn that 1 out of every 2 people with whom I play a game will be given a cloak of rehabilitation, amnesty if you will, for breaking the rules in the most egregious way possible. Thank you for showing me the extent of corruption, dishonesty, and filth that exists within the game and the company as a whole, even though I suspected it as such for many months now.

Adding my own (less abrasive) words in, i do realise it does not equal instant pay-to-win, nor does it introduce gold into the game, but you can't deny it DOES allow someone to buy gold with real money, even if indirectly. Zero tolerance for bots, but full tolerance for RWTers? Falls short, i say. :|

25-Sep-2013 19:31:12

Spud Muffin
Jun Member 2011

Spud Muffin

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This is how it works, for those of you who are confused. If you wanted to buy gold, you would simply buy a bond with real world money then trade it for in game money.

$5 -> Bond -> GP

Bonds are just the middleman. 5 dollars will equal X amount of GP.

However, I have my doubts that this will work. Jagex just made buying gold with real money MORE readily available. This will put more GP into the game. However, it will also kill the gold farming businesses (assuming they don't just sell their GP for lower than the bond price) which will take money out of the game. We'll just have to see if this takes out more gp than it puts in.

There's also another thing we didn't address. Jagex just made this game a pay-to-win, and not play-to-win game. This gives people with lots of free world money to be like pfft *200m prayer* and not work for any of that money at all. Of course, the people who don't have all that real world money to blow on a game still have a way to get 200m xp in prayer, they have to work MUCH harder for it. The poor always have to work harder than the rich I guess. Even in a video game.

Of course, there really isn't a better solution to the problem anyway, provided this works. We have to do it. Shame on that 40-50%. Join Lazy Potatoes !

25-Sep-2013 19:31:47 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 19:47:23 by Spud Muffin

Wyndd Walker
Dec Member 2021

Wyndd Walker

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'Ah, so Runescape has officially become Pay2Win with the introduction of gold purchasable directly from Jagex.

Really does disgust me how much these ways of getting extra-revenue Jagex has added in the past year and a half or so has totally contradicted their old values and statements, and has really ruined the game.'


'Jagex are not selling gold and have no intention of doing so. No extra gold is being introduced into the economy by the introduction of bonds.

RuneScape is not a pay-to-win game. Players have no way of purchasing the time and knowledge of how to use items most effectively - that is something that comes with experience playing the game. It's time invested in the game that yields XP growth, knowledge, and skills.

Yo, mod redneck, defensive much?

We long time players know EXACTLY what this is. And from the looks of the continuing declining logins, WE DON'T LIKE IT.

I can't WAIT for this 'gold membership' to end. 'Our year', my ass. Let us know how this is working out for ya come Dec.

25-Sep-2013 19:31:48 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 19:33:40 by Wyndd Walker

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