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Xandrel
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Xandrel

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Mod Tron: "They essentially cheat to get the gold... This creates a one-way trade where gold enters the economy with no counter balance. In order for an economy to be stable, there has to be trade in both directions...

The difference with Bonds, is that BOTH parties benefit in-game from the trade! Be it through wealth gain, or other tangible means (Membership, Runecoins etc.)"

I'm intrigued by your response. Specifically, the concept of one-way trading. Your argument is that bots selling gold is bad because it's a one way trade that only adds gold to the economy but not necessarily items -- we'll disregard the fact that technically both exist and one is just being traded without the presence of the other. You continue to effectively state that Bonds are NOT a one-way trade because both parties benefit in-game. So sure, we'll pretend that the benefit needs to exist in-game for the trade to be two-way. That's fine. Here's where you lost me. How EXACTLY is the bond NOT simply pumping money into the game (that already exists! That's important!) without any secondary economic input such as an item? Please note: SoF items do not necessarily put anything into the economy. In fact, it's quite rare. Runecoins put NOTHING into the economy with the exception of any items the pets forage (which is exceptionally minimal to my knowledge, but please correct me if I'm wrong). This leaves membership. .... Still not adding anything into the economy, technically. Yes, the player is making GP, getting items, selling, trading -- but those actions and results are entirely separate. Especially since the individual was likely still doing that PRIOR to membership. So yes, Bonds are a two-way trade, but HOW are they any different from bot gold other than the minimal possible economic input from SoF and the Solomon's pets?

26-Sep-2013 05:24:18

A Y A N N A

A Y A N N A

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Profits should go into the pockets of the creators of Runescape (Jagex & its employees) not distant gold farmers who have nothing to do with the creation, design, and maintenance of this game. I'm not sure how all of this will turn out for members, but it seems like a reasoned solution for throwing out the undeserving, profit-sucking gold farmers.

26-Sep-2013 05:25:29

Cxzmic420

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Very interesting JAgex seems like a good idea cant see how this wouldn't work seriously the people that are ranting bout this update are the one that dont get how this bond thing works obviously but overall great update jagex

26-Sep-2013 05:25:56

Busta Move
Oct Member 2023

Busta Move

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Listen everyone,
I think that we all need to realize how incredibly intelligent MMG is. Let us not forget his brilliant understanding of the price of combat boots. How anyone can think an ill thought about a gentlemen who ended his speech with "God Bless You" is beyond me. Please everyone, have an open mind about this.


In all seriousness. Isn't this like, if our government tried to combat the war on drugs with letting all the drugs be legal and the government single handedly distributes and gets the profit? Bravo. This may just work!
Peace and Love!

26-Sep-2013 05:26:38

Transcendent

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There is a much less controversial way to fix the gold selling,
Limited Trade

But then they would loose the 30 percent of paying members that all they log in for everyday is to figure out new ways to scam people out of the gp and then sell it.

I would much rather loose some of that 30 percent of "cheaters" than ruin the game trying to help them scam and cheat more....


Limited trade was tried and did not work. Junk trading became the way around trade limits, so unles you want fixed prices on items that can not adjust to supply and demand, limited trade would not stop unbalanced trades, would not stop RWT, and would only succeed in upsetting legitimate players by needlessly restricting their trade.
Hi.

26-Sep-2013 05:28:37

Charmed Pop

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Well, Jagex finally went full on micro-transactions. They've been wanting to do this for a few years but they had to soften up the community to the idea with cosmetic-only items, then slightly useful items, and now people can buy whatever they want.

Oh, well. It'll just speed up the decline of the game. I do have to give Jagex credit, they are incredibly persistent.

26-Sep-2013 05:29:17

Brad 76

Brad 76

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Limited trade would fix all of this

Very Limited Scamming
Very Limited Botting
Very Limited selling gold

When we had limited trade i don't remember a problem with any of these, but i do remember Jagex promise that they could handle it when free trade came back.....right...

26-Sep-2013 05:29:49

Brad 76

Brad 76

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There is a much less controversial way to fix the gold selling,
Limited Trade

But then they would loose the 30 percent of paying members that all they log in for everyday is to figure out new ways to scam people out of the gp and then sell it.

I would much rather loose some of that 30 percent of "cheaters" than ruin the game trying to help them scam and cheat more....


Limited trade was tried and did not work. Junk trading became the way around trade limits, so unles you want fixed prices on items that can not adjust to supply and demand, limited trade would not stop unbalanced trades, would not stop RWT, and would only succeed in upsetting legitimate players by needlessly restricting their trade.


Please list reasons that a "legitimate player" needs free trade please.

26-Sep-2013 05:31:42

Stephi-kins

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Well, Jagex finally went full on micro-transactions. They've been wanting to do this for a few years but they had to soften up the community to the idea with cosmetic-only items, then slightly useful items, and now people can buy whatever they want.

Oh, well. It'll just speed up the decline of the game. I do have to give Jagex credit, they are incredibly persistent.




Ditto !!

26-Sep-2013 05:34:24

I Faked it
Nov Member 2008

I Faked it

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from what i have been reading, it seems this update is more suited to benefit free players who can now purchase memberships with bonds. and jagex.
bonds..fair enough..good concept..HOWEVER,
i thought bonds was going to be something entirely different... like were buying a bond in the company and all updates will be voted on by people who own a bond in the company and will have inside say/vote on future rs proposed updates.
players don't have enough say in what goes on imo.
LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE! we play your game. atleast introduce what players want.
07 scape is just backtracking down a road most of us have already conquered.
maybe by putting up a lot more polls involving the community from the beginning may have saved the game in some direction it has gone.
07 scape is getting all this attention with polls and godwars and not to mention a nightmare zone?
what does eoc get?
a repetetive, facepalm boring skill and 8 weeks of a lumbridge battle with a quest my dog could do.
no wonder no one wants to play.
i had a comp cape and enjoyed just doing pvm. i barely enjoy that anymore.
the boom of RS seems to be over.
i log in everyday thinking, why am i here?
only here for friends and cos i bought gold membership.
silly me.. could of been bf4.
bonds will be popular until the prices of gold dictate it and square 1 is hit.
jagex say this will even the market out, do you mean IRL OR RS? bit confused who it is going to benefit in the long run? i'd like to say both company and player. but will probably be the Chinese come out on top.
i wish everything wasn't about money and we could have a kick ass game with a million people online. instead of like 20k and wonder if playing is even worth it.
items in RS are mostly super cheap, or so expensive you cant afford one this life.
fair enough you made us a new boss..Vorago...maybe you could of scaled him down for lower levels to drop level 70-80-90 gear and give the market some edge for all levels not just a wand that's max cash.
shibby

26-Sep-2013 05:51:25

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