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Altimirage

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The problem isn't so much with gold farmers "generating" gp than it is with the way they use the gp and how it affects the market value of the fold itself. When you get a monster drop, alch something, or gain a net profit of gp, you have injected gp into the game, or have generated it. Every player, whether they are bot or human must skill or kill in order to generate gp. The difference then lies with exactly as Agentkeen said. When a human accumulates wealth in runescape they will recycle the gp back into the game through many ways such as buying additional supplies, items and armor, or gp - xp transfer (skilling). This is a correct way in which a system such as Runescape should work. The unbalance is caused when a bot does the same process, but instead of recycling the gp back into the game, they trade the money off for real life profit, creating an accumulation of gp that isn't being burned off fast enough.

Another way to look at it is as if you had a economic system in which only two things exist; gp and items. If I make gp to get an equal number of items, then I am not creating an excess in the system. However if I 'gain' double the amount of gp I have from a third party, (because money is not a factor in this economy) then I now have too much gp than I need to spend and I have created an excess in my economic system, creating an inflation of gp. The introduction of a third element in an econemy like runescape, which was only supposed to support a two way type of trade, has unbalanced the economy because money isn't a standard of trade in which runescape can use.

By introducing bonds Jagex hopes to encourage two things. People with vast amounts of money to 'sink' their gold into the game to buy time for themselves and friends, and to create a cycle of buying and selling in which a person will spend real money for gp, and eventually the 'real money' in the form of bonds will be used and deleted from the game for in game time, almost like it never existed

26-Sep-2013 05:08:23

Brad 76

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But it's still a loophole that people can exploit and since people can exploit it some will. If that was the true root of the problem I think Jagex would have cleaned up alching a long time ago.


Alching by a normal player is not a problem, botting by huge numbers of goldfarmers who are not using the gp for their own accounts but instead selling the gp is a problem.

The problem is not alching, but botting and selling the gp is a problem. It creates vast amounts of gold which should not exist in the game and which is not legitimately obtained or earned through play as it should be.


On the video they have claimed theyve basically removed the bots, so they are now fixing a problem that doesn't even exist anymore....


Jagex claims to have removed approximately 90% of the bots, but it is an ongoing battle. 10% of 1.1 million is still 110,000 bots in game, and if Jagex stopped trying to improve detection and banning the number would grow quickly.


sooo if this has been the "main" way to bot as you claim...
I can def see how it would take a sofisticated system to detect a person who high alchs 24/7 and gives all the gp they make from that to random people with nothing in return....

26-Sep-2013 05:11:38

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btw jagex if you truly cared about the economy of the game, then the 200mil coin wont be on the spins, you could easily replace it with a lump sum of exp. unlike the lucky items on the spins, coins from the spins hurts the economy of the game.

26-Sep-2013 05:12:14

DyedFire

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Just a suggestion... If it's not too much.
Could you add live/updated statistic when this these Bonds are removed? I feel I and the community truly wants to know if this is working to help stabilize the economy of Runescape.
I'm still impressed to see the Raw Sharks back up to 1.4k each... Something must be working.

26-Sep-2013 05:12:46

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btw jagex if you truly cared about the economy of the game, then the 200mil coin wont be on the spins, you could easily replace it with a lump sum of exp. unlike the lucky items on the spins, coins from the spins hurts the economy of the game.


Not enough players win the 200m from the SoF for it to significantly effect the economy. The smaller bags of gp people win from the SoF add a lot more gp to the economy cumulatively than the 200m does.
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26-Sep-2013 05:16:38

Brad 76

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Just a suggestion... If it's not too much.
Could you add live/updated statistic when this these Bonds are removed? I feel I and the community truly wants to know if this is working to help stabilize the economy of Runescape.
I'm still impressed to see the Raw Sharks back up to 1.4k each... Something must be working.


Something is working....they removed the bots that were fishing the sharks ...simple supply and demand.

26-Sep-2013 05:19:23

mina tepes
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I believe that the efforts to eliminate bots has been a huge success but rwt still is a huge issue as well as the economy. As much as I enjoy getting my spins each day and getting rewards from it, I believe that Jagex has only made things worse by hurting the economy even further and inflating gp to an all time high as well as contradicting themselves by soliciting rwt. The introduction of bonds to me solves absolutely nothing. To buy a membership through rwt of bonds I would be out more money than if I were to buy an actual subscription and the same applies to buying rune coins and spins. This only further influences gold farming sites to now have another item to sell at a lower price. The economy will not balance out through bonds as when people realise how worthless they are, they will eventually become a pointless item used by few players. I believe gold farming sites are something that we will just have to deal with unless action is taken against the players responsible for using these sites. Through this new release of bonds Jagex has further contradicted themselves by again introducing a new form of rwt, themselves and also impacted the economy in a negative way. If you choose to agree or disagree with the points I made that is entirely your choice i am not trying to incite any hatred towards Jagex in any way and I will continue to be a active member of runescape and its community

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26-Sep-2013 05:22:28

Brad 76

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There is a much less controversial way to fix the gold selling,
Limited Trade

But then they would loose the 30 percent of paying members that all they log in for everyday is to figure out new ways to scam people out of the gp and then sell it.

I would much rather loose some of that 30 percent of "cheaters" than ruin the game trying to help them scam and cheat more....

26-Sep-2013 05:23:49

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