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Team Skull
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Team Skull

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Player for 9 years - Bye Jagex. You made the decision extremely easy.
Membership runs out the 29th. Thanks.

2013 date? nice try.

That's their last mem date br0.

Nice try though. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

27-Sep-2013 05:57:50

Evil is Here
Jul Member 2006

Evil is Here

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Early in the thread****_Paladin has about the same observation I do. I will provide a possible scenario: I wish to purchase an item in game, say item ztx or a party hat. Item ztx/party hat costs say 150 mil. I have 30 mil in bank. Wouldn't the player still seek out a gold merchant to acquire the xtra cash? How is a 'bond' going to affect that economy of purchase? I don't see what changes, please help an old guy (I'm 58) understand because I don't see how this changes anything. (ps. I have a Santa Hat so I don't want a party hat)

27-Sep-2013 06:01:27

Rotom
Dec Member 2023

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So apparently RWT is ok now so long as it is from jagex?.

Well said, i dont agree with this update at all. Jagex has enforced policies against RWT. Yet time and time again (solomon store) and other updates require the user to put more and more money into the game. This is RWT, but its "ok" because its comming from Jagex. You look like hypocrites.

First of all lets examine this, they cost 5$ USA money for 14 DAYS OF MEMBERSHIP.. WHY THE HECK WOULD I WANT TO BUY SOMTHING AND EXCHANGE FOR ONLY 2 WEEKS OF MEMBERSHIP.. I would have to buy atleast 2 a month and that costs over 10$ a month and thats ONLY 28 DAYS.. AND IF I KNOW MY CALLENDER THERES ONLY ONE MONTH THAT HAS A TOTAL OF 28 DAYS IN IT... AND THATS FEBRUARY

ON TOP OF THAT, YOU ADVERTISE THAT VETERAN PLAYERS CAN GET MEMBERSHIP USING THEIR IN GAME WEALTH. Any experienced player or VET knows simple math.. 2 bonds cost 10$ USD, to get the majority of a months worth of play. When currently its 7.99 month to pay with a cred/debit card.

Way to go Jagex, was it so hard to make them 15 days each? Heres another math lesson, 4 months of 12 have 30 days.

But you know what, was it too much for you guys over at JAgex to be generous and give us 16 days per bond? So that we would actually benefit an extra day of membership rather than being skimped out 3 days.

Its not rocket science, there 7 months out of 12 have 31 days. But you chose to skimp out the players and BLATANTLY LIE and try to put some b.s crap about vertans wanting to use their wealth to pay for membership. And then you try to pull the wool over our eyes by saying this is going to help combat gold farmers. Whats really happening is that your manipulating the sichuation to make more money.

What ever happend to you guys doing what the players wanted? Where was the vote for this, where was the poll? This wasn't even mentioned in the BTS.

*claps* nice job jagex, way to stick it to the players. AGAIN -Want a dungeoneering tokens? Join "Token Run" FC
-5M GP gets you 100k tokens

27-Sep-2013 06:11:56 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2013 06:16:12 by Rotom

Trunkuza

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[a repeated sentiment, so I'm not even going to directly quote one person or another]Membership grants you advantages in game not otherwise achievable, it's nowhere near RWT'ing. Bonds [and Spins, SGS, etc, have been mentioned here as other poor examples. More on that in a minute.] on the other hand are items that you can buy with the money in your pocket, and then turn around and sell to other players for GP or items. [/quote]

First off, Membership itself does essentially the exact same thing in terms of giving large advantages to people who shell out money, going all the way back to when they first decided to make the membership feature. Imagine trying to get Lv 99 prayer on nothing but standard and big bones. And has everyone claiming 'unfair advantage, unfair advantage' forgotten /other/ big updates that this supposedly innocuous system grants, comparatively? Pest Control for the longest time made Combat skills easier to level. PoH Altars give Prayer an insane boost to XP-gain, and let's not forget the Runespan. Yes, free players can use the lower floors, but everyone knows the best possible XP gains are up-top in our member zone.

Back when I started, back before Membership was even a /thought/ in Andrew Gower's mind, people had to work for their xp, their gold, their gains. And y'know what? Times ******* changed. I was ticked off numerous times to find that the months worth of training back then to get my levels could be done in mere days. For some skills, mere minutes. The giant XP-revision back in the recode from RS1 ['Classic', as it's called now* to RS2 made EVERY skill immeasurably easier to level. When RS2 came out I practically said 'stuff it' to levelling. It was so easy now so there didn't feel like a point to it anymore. Nowadays, I only level to do quests, but not once have I /ever/ raised as much stupidity as all you nay-sayers are right now. It's their ******* game. They can buy, sell, and do whatever the heck they want.

27-Sep-2013 06:16:39 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2013 07:45:05 by Trunkuza

Trunkuza

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Second issue. "Bonds are RWT, they can buy you GP and items."

Players essentially make the economy, people. You're buying a practically worthless item, from Jagex, that *players* will set the ultimate price on. With all your complaints, it sounds like all of you are expecting either this:
{Fantasy #1} "Let me just log in real quick. Here's a player asking to buy a bond. Okay, Trade... click this Bond right here. 'How much GP do you want?' Oh, I dunno, gimme 300 Mil. 'Okay!'"{/fantasy #1}
or this:
{Fantasy #2} *Clicks on Bond* *Instant Billions* {/fantasy #2}

At the end of the day, you still have to deal with the /player/ on the other side of the trade window or the GE, and whatever /they/ feel the value of the item is.

If anything, complain about how this could potentially increase the Scam Level from "Yellow" to "Zamorak's Bloody Corpse", with people running around yelling "Selling memberships" on Free Servers to players who don't pay attention to the News Reports. Which, btw, I hope Jagex has been actively monitoring and preventing since they opened this can-of-worms.

27-Sep-2013 06:16:58 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2013 06:54:53 by Trunkuza

Trunkuza

Trunkuza

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Third Issue: Train Derailment.
I've seen, again, people complaining about SoF, complaining about SGS, complaining about how they feel that those allow highly skewed and unfair advantages.

Spins:
Statement: You can "buy" Lv 99 in any skill and gain items to skill with by using SoF.
Experience:
XP: {Since we're comparing bonds with gold selling sites here, I'll do the same.} The 'drop rate' for lamps is actually less than people seem to think. In a test once, I bought $99 dollars worth of spins [450 spins, for those not-in-the-know] and spun *all* of them in a single day. In terms of XP, putting *all* of the prismatics I received into Prayer, if I recall correctly, I went from about 27k XP past Prayer Lv 74 to about 49k XP away from Prayer lv 76. Doing a simple search revealed that it pales in comparison to the same price from a service.
Did I get a slight bit of an advantage in this example by using Spins? Yes.
Is it 'highly skewed', if anyone tries to compete with me? Unless I no-life-train for the same duration as my competition, no. If anything, it helped me keep up.
Is it safe to say that Lv 99 in a skill is buyable from Lv 1? If your plan is to go bankrupt by spending thousands of dollars, per skill, of your real life money for a monetarily pointless bragging right, then yes it is, but then you're an idiot.

Items: The same test previously mentioned also resulted in many items that were worthless (in terms of GP) to my peers, about 1.2m in cash bags, and the complete sets from the Skill Clothing. Not a single Super-Rare, not a single Huge Lamp, not a single 200m stack.

SgS: Pets are brought up as the big breaker. Specifically the Gathering and Bank features. If you want to stand at the GE and have your pet Gather constantly for random, low items and coin stacks under 20, be my guest. There are faster ways to get them. The bank feature can only be used once every 10 minutes. Unless it somehow now takes 11+ minutes to get to anywhere from a bank. . .

27-Sep-2013 06:17:06 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2013 07:43:13 by Trunkuza

qazwiz

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where to start.... RWT, definition of RWT = where someone OUTSIDE the game is paid real money for something in the game

since Jagex owns the game they can charge anything they want for using the game

but any player that receives real life currency in exchange for an in-game item is RWT (as is the person they are trading with)

player paying currency to another player = RWT
player receiving currency from a player = RWT
player paying Jagex = Jagex earning money for their hard work on the game
player receiving currency from Jagex = NEVER WILL HAPPEN
(although you might say the fourth one proves "player" is really a J-MoD)
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as to the effect...
now that persons who have a need to buy gold can buy bonds and sell them for gold, Jagex will be justified in banning accounts that continue to buy gold from farmers.

Also, without even checking the current price of bonds, I suspect that bonds will rise in price to seven or eight figures. (thus 1M - 99M... I remember being tempted to purchase when I found out that gold was being sold as low as 50 cents [$0.50 USD] per million which would come to ten million per bond, although it could easily be a quarter of that since I once saw ad selling gold for $2 USD per million shortly after the botnuke)

effect on chinbots? = well, their coins are still there so they could buy bonds :P
but in reality, they are out of business because as soon as they sell in a RWT linked transaction their account will go bye bye

27-Sep-2013 06:21:25

Rotom
Dec Member 2023

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ALSO 8 spins for 5 dollars... WHAT A RIP OFF and on top of that you have the audacity to put a charity donation option to make yourselves look good. -Want a dungeoneering tokens? Join "Token Run" FC
-5M GP gets you 100k tokens

27-Sep-2013 06:21:29 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2013 06:24:08 by Rotom

Rotom
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Rotom

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Trunkuza you have completely dodged my argument and fancied up some balagna to justify what is going on. -Want a dungeoneering tokens? Join "Token Run" FC
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27-Sep-2013 06:24:16 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2013 19:23:30 by Rotom

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