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Oct

2005

Dadizar

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Mod Jacmob said:

"We’ve also done analysis (with a wide range of different techniques) which has shown well over 40% of active players have bought gold from 3rd party RWT vendors. The scale of purchasing from gold farmers was a surprise, if not a total shock."

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"Nor do we don’t want to remove the half of the player-base that have bought gold (many of whom just want an occasional helping hand)..."

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gf those of us that never supported rwt?

Exactly!!!! As usual, the honest loyal player is kicked in the face.

I would love to have a J-Mod confirm that now that bonds have been released a zero tolerance policy against breaking the RWIT rule with gold farming companies will be strictly enforced.

Or maybe the honest players should get some kind of reward for the honesty and loyalty.

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25-Sep-2013 19:23:58

MndOfAManiak

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Few more things...
I don't understand why Jagex must tell me how often someone gets a 99 like... why? I really didn't think it happens as quick as it does... lol gullible me.
Why is MMG in a video at the top of the page, like an ad trying to sell me something, didn't even want to click the video.. Have they done this in the past?

25-Sep-2013 19:24:39

Zarfnot

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This update is completely useless.
I've done some google research and found that all gold selling sites are selling gold cheaper than 5$/15m or close to it. Some sites could even increase their price. And with rwt being legitimized, I fail to see why the market should buy Bonds rather than following the basic rules of supply and demand.
You've said that 40 % of the player base have bought rs gold for real money, and you have not banned them. Is this because you would miss out on important income if you did?

Another thing this Bonds lacks to become effective is that they can't be traded for real currency in a legitimate way. I can see that there are many issues and laws to be considered for creating a new currency, but nevertheless it should be considered. There is no option for those ridiculous rich-ingame people to sell their gold for cash, so they will just continue to sell it "under the table" on 3rd party sites. After all, there is a limit on how many RuneCoins you need, or how many years of membership needed.

And finally, what about the Old School version? The Bonds will have little or no effect on that economy. There will still be a huge market for the rwt'ers, and after this update and statements, nothing to stop people from buying gold from 3rd party sites. I, and many other players have swapped our main game gold for Old School gold. If Bonds were added to OSRS and to be tied to your account, and not your character, this could serve as a safe way to exchange gold between the different versions rather than solely relying on trust. But it seems like you totally left out OSRS and almost half the player base in this update.

25-Sep-2013 19:24:50 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 19:26:47 by Zarfnot

Apr

2021

Stigma Toxin

Posts: 337 Silver Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

@Solsia

as do i. now we can accurately re-base all our prices on bonds...not a good idea, but at least we know that a draconic visage isnt worth a 14 day membership, lmao

25-Sep-2013 19:25:14

Aug

2020

Mud

Posts: 11,459 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

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Ah, so Runescape has officially become Pay2Win with the introduction of gold purchasable directly from Jagex.

Really does disgust me how much these ways of getting extra-revenue Jagex has added in the past year and a half or so has totally contradicted their old values and statements, and has really ruined the game.

Honestly, this update has the potential to cause Runescape's demise. It's way easier for this update to be a complete failure and cause the game to end, than it does to be successful and actually "fix" the economy and RWT. I guess back a few years when Jagex said Runescape did not allow RWT of any kind, they forgot to put the asterick stating "except from us"
Jagex are not selling gold and have no intention of doing so. No extra gold is being introduced into the economy by the introduction of bonds.

RuneScape is not a pay-to-win game. Players have no way of purchasing the time and knowledge of how to use items most effectively - that is something that comes with experience playing the game. It's time invested in the game that yields XP growth, knowledge, and skills.

1.Buy bonds for rl gp
2.Sell bonds for rs gp
3.?
4. - Jagex profit and somehow claim not rwt

25-Sep-2013 19:25:15

M-Theorist

Posts: 34 Bronze Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

So Jagex eliminated gold farmers and took over farmers income. The only thing that changes in-game is that players will pay Jagex now for the same things.

Great marketing guys, presenting your new income-boosting idea as a gift for players. Kinda disgusting, too.

25-Sep-2013 19:25:22 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 19:25:39 by M-Theorist

Barreloffish

Posts: 2,922 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile

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Ah, so Runescape has officially become Pay2Win with the introduction of gold purchasable directly from Jagex.

Really does disgust me how much these ways of getting extra-revenue Jagex has added in the past year and a half or so has totally contradicted their old values and statements, and has really ruined the game.

Honestly, this update has the potential to cause Runescape's demise. It's way easier for this update to be a complete failure and cause the game to end, than it does to be successful and actually "fix" the economy and RWT. I guess back a few years when Jagex said Runescape did not allow RWT of any kind, they forgot to put the asterick stating "except from us"
Jagex are not selling gold and have no intention of doing so. No extra gold is being introduced into the economy by the introduction of bonds.

RuneScape is not a pay-to-win game. Players have no way of purchasing the time and knowledge of how to use items most effectively - that is something that comes with experience playing the game. It's time invested in the game that yields XP growth, knowledge, and skills.

Actually, after rethinking, I have to agree with Jagex isn't selling gold. Jagex is just taking the advantage of being the "safe middleman" to generate more income for the company. Since Jagex is selling membership/runecoins/spins (bonds) and players use this as a leverage of the middleman to swap the bonds for gold/items.

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25-Sep-2013 19:27:21

Mod MrCrispy

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So... whether or not jagex will admit it they have officially given their players a "monetary" value for their runescape items.

so if hypothetically Bob hacks me by keylogging my computer then steals 100m worth of runescape items Bob would have officially committed theft because there is now an official exchange rate for runescape items to real world cash.

(£3 / the market price of the bonds. for the sake of this argument we'll use 6M rsgp as it's a nice round figure of 50p per mil.)

Bob has now stolen £50 worth of my items.

now that Bob has broken real world laws shall you, jagex, be referring this to the police?

as far as I can see that's where this update has taken the matter of hacking.

In circumstances such as this, we would of-course do everything we can to assist any of our players get their account back. Although bonds, and other items, can be seen as having a perceived value, they do not have an actual real world value. All items are the property of Jagex at all times.

Ultimately you are responsible for the security of your account. If you have followed all of the recommended security steps, including setting up Jagex Account Guard, the likelihood of this kind of attack taking place is very rare.

25-Sep-2013 19:27:47

Jan

2008

Ganon

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So... whether or not jagex will admit it they have officially given their players a "monetary" value for their runescape items.

so if hypothetically Bob hacks me by keylogging my computer then steals 100m worth of runescape items Bob would have officially committed theft because there is now an official exchange rate for runescape items to real world cash.

(£3 / the market price of the bonds. for the sake of this argument we'll use 6M rsgp as it's a nice round figure of 50p per mil.)

Bob has now stolen £50 worth of my items.

now that Bob has broken real world laws shall you, jagex, be referring this to the police?

as far as I can see that's where this update has taken the matter of hacking.

Would like to see a Mod respond to this.

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25-Sep-2013 19:27:54

Nov

2011

Red Essence

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I know nobody is going to read this or pay any consideration to it.. But congratulations jagex... Now gold farmers and the places they get their wealth from can hoard these bonds and basically sell them for whatever respective price they please.. You're just feeding the fire you morons... This isn't going to help anything.. EVER... You have to spend irl money to get these bonds.. Or atleast someone does and that is taking advantage of the wealthier part of the runescape economy.. and knocking out the not so wealthy part...

25-Sep-2013 19:28:34

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