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Thy Divinity
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Thy Divinity

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So now JAGEX listens to the player? I doubt you'll read this but hey its worth a try since now you claim to acknowledge us people that play the game.

Anyhow, as you can see I'm pretty sure about 70% of the posts in this thread if not more are about EOC, well what does that tell you? yeah you made a mistake by changing our game, I say "our game" because we're the one that play it we keep it alive and going by paying our membership you're just here to make sure it works fine for us to enjoy it like a janitor at my school.

About 50% of the people that played this game back before EOC have quit, how do I know this? well there were more people playing RuneScape who rather did PVP PVM or any other Runescape activity involving combat, the rest were bots and well ofcourse skillers. Now the ones that enjoyed doing combat related activities have joined a RuneScape orivate server or quit hoping one day you will open your eyes and realize you have lost a big part of whats only important to you and thats our money.

Yeah the only thing that matters to you is our money thats why you opened the salomon store and the squeal of fortune that is a total rip off but ofcourse there are little kids that don't realize that. as for me I only payed my membership but stopped doing so for what I was interested on and what I liked is long gone. By the end of the year you will realize that you guys are a little short in money compared to that from previous years. How do I know this? well look at the amout of people that play, its really low compared to that of last year and I'm pretty sure half of that amount are bots or skillers that will quit eventually after reaching a certain 99 in a skill, in the other hand us people who enjoyed PVP, PVM etc we stayed for many years yes until the update came ofcourse. All you have managed to do was make half of your real players quit.

Runescape isn't fun anymore for us people that enjoy combat, you'll never have people like us again until reverting.

31-Jan-2013 02:34:33

Caj

Caj

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Tyria Mine - Having known you on the forums the past two years, I would of expected you to have already thrown in the towel. My intentions lie elsewhere.

I can accept losing out on several things, including time wasted on various activities. But I for one do not accept a company lying to me.

I don't know how many problems have arisen in the past five years for this game, but this many changes affecting so much in so little time often has a dire effect on the community.

I've seen this community for what it seems, and it's a group I cannot get along with. Whether it's the 'flavour of the month' crowd or the keyboard warrior crowd, it's more often than not I tend to lose relationships with the core audience.

Sometimes I think you feel this is only a game. Which it is, I've basically been a gamer all my life. The truth of the matter is no other game; console, PC or otherwise has given me as much grief as Runescape has. Even World of Warcraft, with it's often volatile community and it's excessive grind of end-game raids didn't give me this much frustration.

You can accept what this game is now. I won't, and nobody will convince me it's going to be worth the trouble because I've wasted enough time complaining and griping about how poor the gameplay standards are.

Jagex in my view is within the likes of Electronic Arts and Activision. They all produce their fair share of bullcrap. What with EA ripping people off and Activision killing off their Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk franchises. I guess Nintendo is still going, but their games aren't too much different from the ones I played a decade ago.

It ain't Runescape anymore. It's something else.

31-Jan-2013 02:44:31 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2013 02:49:59 by Caj

Angel2D4

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I think I'll start with this one Caj:

"But I for one do not accept a company lying to me."

I am in complete agreement that "honesty is the best policy" and that people (or companies) shouldn't lie. Honesty, is a big thing to me personally.

However, one of the things I've learned in my absense from RS, is that gaming companies specifically, lie. Jagex didn't corner that market. Nexon lies. Zynga lies. I mean, I could go on endlessly listing companies that lie to their customers.

How is it "worse" that jagex does it? No, I'm not excusing it or condoning it.. I'm asking how is it worse that one lies and not the others? If they all lie.. do we simply go back to console games?

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"Sometimes I think you feel this is only a game."

Perhaps that's true. This game, is not the game I gave my heart to. Fell in love with. Cried over the loss of.

The one thing jagex has done, that everyone is feeling and soon will be if they aren't already.. is that there is no possible way to see this "new" game as anything but "just a game".

There can be no "attachment" for those of us who watched RuneScape die. Jagex don't realize it yet.. but in the end, they will.

I (and many others) lost the game I was attached to, and knowing its history will forever prevent attachment to RS3 or anything jagex ever publish again.

That doesn't mean we can't play games they make.. it simply means those games will never be more than just games.

But jagex.. as a games company.. really isn't any worse than the rest of them.. most of the time.

I've always said jagex was in a race to the bottom.. and I still believe it.. but they take turns with the likes of Nexon and Zynga in that race.

But yeah.. it IS just a game now. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

31-Jan-2013 03:13:36

Caj

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Tyria Mine -

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"However, one of the things I've learned in my absense from RS, is that gaming companies specifically, lie. Jagex didn't corner that market. Nexon lies. Zynga lies. I mean, I could go on endlessly listing companies that lie to their customers."
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Financial companies lie more than anybody else really. The only people who can rival them are the ones in the political field.

We live in a capitalist society, and the greed of money is stronger than ever.

Might as well add Electronic Arts and Activision to the list because they lie all the time. Microsoft lies as well. I really can't think of any mainstream gaming company that hasn't directly lied to their players, whether it be intentional or unintentional.

Luckily for me I've already moved on from the game and am pursuing other avenues. There are times where I feel I'm going retro because I don't like the way modern gaming companies are running their business. DLC (downloadable content) has become a big draw. Some of that content gets you better stuff to work with, hence micro-transactions.

Runescape is one of the few games that offer BOTH a membership and a series of micro-transactions that determine your overall success in the game. Once it came down to it I have pretty much talked my head off about how wrong it is to buy your own success. As like most other posts I make, my discussion pretty much got ignored.

At one time, I personally felt Jagex held a higher standard. But today they are no better than anyone else. They're far from the first company to hold micro-transactions. I've played a lot of free games out there that hold a cash shop which completely destroys the balance. Jagex is doing the same, but on top of that they're making you pay membership to get the complete package.

The gaming industry has a different face from the one I knew in the 1990s, back when it was exploring several directions that hadn't yet been treaded upon. World of Warcraft has a different audience now.

31-Jan-2013 03:33:20

Caj

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It's never going to get back the audience it had when vanilla first came out. It's common to see people move on over time, but there is also a portion of that audience who quit because of a series of changes made to the actual game. Going back to Runescape, there are people quitting today because they can no longer cope with what the game has turned into.

To sum this all up, when the ownership changes, so does the company itself, including the game they developed.

We can trigger the removal of Free Trade and the ownership change in December 2010 to be trend setters. Both have resulted in a series of changes which may not have happened had those events not taken place.

31-Jan-2013 03:39:02

Acoworker

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I agree with most of what you two have said.

I feel quite strongly against the latter changes but I feel there should be some clear lines.

I've played several games, and in all of the ones that created Micro transactions that caused imbalances minute compared to Rs's, there has always been hefty losses in gamers.

There are games that still do not do use this method for profit. However Runescape has not only taken the first option of having Member's paid version... but also, the incredibly more imbalanced one (as it's effects play on people already playing Mems as well as f2p).

There is another issue with this update, besides getting an unfair advantage through the willingness to feed Jagex's pockets. Yes, yes it does also toss out years worth of hard earned (and often paid for) player skills from vets (the reliable clients).

I would also point out that this is Gambling, and it Is being place in game that is often aimed at children.

Anyways, I've had a lot of experience and I've managed in enough businesses to understand the difference between fair and unfair profit.

I've quit working for a few places that took advantage in this way.

For me, to see Jagex doing this, it is worse than a low blow to me and my friends... but a disgusting greed problem with the pocket pushers.

People willing to do this to others, find it very hard to "gain" a sense of morality on these concepts.

I do find myself ever hopeful of such, but it is honestly quite hard... and there has to be a few striking cords. We as players have been striking cords for quite some time and it never seems to do much.

I'm hoping that (since it is clear they do not feel moral obligations to their loyal players) they will realize and act upon their current and recent loss of player base.

I hope that those responsible for Runescape's development will learn a healthy balance between profit and *buse.

Again, surely they cannot do so without the trespass being made known.

Keep up the feedback :)

31-Jan-2013 03:57:41 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2013 04:00:33 by Acoworker

Caj

Caj

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Acoworker

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"Anyways, I've had a lot of experience and I've managed in enough businesses to understand the difference between fair and unfair profit.

I've quit working for a few places that took advantage in this way.

For me, to see Jagex doing this, it is worse than a low blow to me and my friends... but a disgusting greed problem with the pocket pushers.

People willing to do this to others, find it very hard to "gain" a sense of morality on these concepts.

I do find myself ever hopeful of such, but it is honestly quite hard... and there has to be a few striking cords. We as players have been striking cords for quite some time and it never seems to do much."
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Yes.

It's not good to keep working for a company that gets it's profit unfairly. Despite what anybody else is saying regarding Insight Ventures not affecting the status of Jagex, I feel there is more to this than what we're seeing.

Unfortunately, being an outsider has me restrained to what I assume and what I know. I strongly assume Runescape is going to have the plug pulled by next year or the year after. What I do know is a lot of people are not amused with the recent decisions.

I've basically been striking cords for over two years now and because I have, I got nothing to show for it. Jagex doesn't understand the difference between profit and abuse, and it's showing. Regardless of whether they know or not, we're left with no actual direction to take. Where do we go from here?

The sad truth is a lot of organizations out there in the real world tend to gain their share of assets rather aggressively. The guys at the top of those organizations aren't talking. So we're left with guessing and drawing rash conclusions.

My personal take on this is if Runescape is going to get anywhere, Mark Gerhard needs to go. Judging by his lies and unwillingness to cooperate, he already ruined his reputation.

31-Jan-2013 04:10:36 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2013 04:12:13 by Caj

Angel2D4

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"We can trigger the removal of Free Trade and the ownership change in December 2010 to be trend setters. Both have resulted in a series of changes which may not have happened had those events not taken place."

Caj, I can completely agree with most of what you've stated. I do have some obstacles in agreeing with the above statement tho.

The removal of wildy and ft was in '07.
MMG became CEO in '09
Andrew sold out in December '10

Now, this is nothing more than personal perspective here but, I believe (I 'still' believe) the removal of wildy and ft was for the good of the game.

Don't get me wrong, I loathe jagex and the things they've done to this once great game, but that.. I can still believe was of great benefit to what RS "was".

MMG's 'new to CEO' statement was pretty words.. intended to calm the masses and appease the broken hearted. It soon became evident that it was empty promises and nothing more than the lies they began telling even before he became CEO. The point here is that he lied from DAY ONE. That much, hasn't changed.

He does need to go. He needs to step down.. for the good of the game (and the company).

I guess I'm just trying to point out that the catastrophic failures began long before Andrew sold out.. I do acknowledge that the investment idiots (no I won't try and find a nicer way to word that) wouldn't have as much "interest" had Andrew not sold out.. but that's water under the bridge and the world moves forward regardless of those of us who wish it wasn't always true.

As long as the "head" of the company remains the same.. the problems cannot be addressed. He created them and doesn't see them as problems.

His credibility (sp?) is nil and he has yet to do a single thing to change that.

edit typo "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

31-Jan-2013 04:25:42 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2013 04:29:06 by Angel2D4

Angel2D4

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Hello Phil..

Hey, I know you've been 'round here enough to have seen many of the same things.. what do you think?

You think this company stands a "chance" without replacing a CEO who has a history of lies? "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

31-Jan-2013 04:43:58

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