Forums

Espionage724 said :
Tenebri said :
Espionage724 said :
Tenebri said :
"still there hours later"

yes of course they will be it wont be instant

how do you think jagex can tackle this? just banning them does nothing... literally nothing

.


no because they get replaced instantly, as you have said yourself

so that does nothing.

There's not infinite accounts and payment processors since membership costs money somewhere in the chain. Spammers would eventually lose.

Did you really say not to ban spammers because they can just come back? Are you aiming for head of anti-cheat at Jagex? Lmao

no do not put words in my mouth. its dishonest.

what should be done is going after the source. aka the website.


what you want to do is when you see an ant in the kitchen is to just squish it, and when another comes squish it again.

what im saying is we go after nest somewhere.

which is what jagex actually do. it just takes time and money.

i hate these bots just as much as you, possibly more, they destroy the game that ive played for 20 years.
i want them gone, but when someone comes saying "ban them" its not helpful, dont get angry at me for just giving information

Espionage724 said :


There's not infinite accounts and payment processors since membership costs money somewhere in the chain. Spammers would eventually lose.



Tenebri said :




im sure these quotes will be useful in the future

not quite got to the limit yet i see after 10million bans in 2 years


i asked you how you would tackle the issue, your suggestion was "ban them" they are doing that already and you can see it is not working.

200m all RS3 on 7/3/19

1.2Billion overall Slayer xp / Ultimate slayer title

OSRS 2277/2277 Untrim slayer cape

Hail Satan, He loves for who you are.

20-Jul-2023 09:25:25 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 09:39:06 by Tenebri

20-Jul-2023 09:26:32

20-Jul-2023 13:58:37 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 14:24:12 by SlR

20-Jul-2023 18:11:09

1. Player quickly types a multi-word sentence
2. Player does that multiple times a minute
3. Player does this consistently over multiple minutes
4. Messages are repetitive at least twice

Ban them. That's it. EZ. No real player is doing this, all obvious spam bots are doing this, and this wouldn't have allowed that stupidness with that 4 hour PC bot to go unchecked for... 4 hours. You don't even need AI for that; I said high-shooler before but I'm sure even a script-kiddie can write those if conditions in Python quickly to work with plain text from Jagex. This is not hard and the big-boy MMOs have this handled already. One $11/month subscription could pay for the hour work needed to implement this, or maybe 2 months for someone to do it well in that hour.

If in the absolute rare event a real player has a legitimate reason to meet all those conditions and gets banned, they can submit a ban appeal, and hopefully get someone competent enough to understand what's going on to unban them. Give them a day or more of membership as good-will, and go from there. You've protected the integrity of your game a bit more than usual, and fostered good-will towards another player that might benefit you nicely beyond that interaction or at the very least not have them dissing your games on social media. Hey Jagex are ya'll looking for a CS rep?

20-Jul-2023 18:22:27

20-Jul-2023 18:36:28

SlR said :
I doubt many of them want to stand around 'policing' the G/E, though many of them do!

I'd police PC since that's both the most likely place I am, and the only place I see this spam

I feel like I'd be perfect for Pmod in that instance, but does Jagex really want that? If I was a Pmod that bot would have existed at the most a few minutes, would have been muted, and I would have gone on playing PC thinking nothing more of it. This thread wouldn't exist.

Instead, I'm here with a multi-page rant thread that only exists primarily because I'm upset that I can't do anything to stop this except shut my ears of it and hinder my client. Multiple reports went ignored for multiple hours ; that sends the message player reports go straight to /dev/null, so what's the point? I went out of my way to help solve a problem and was ignored blatantly.

This thread should be archived as an exhibit to how to turn a player against your own game. Yeah it's easy to just not care, ignore the player and continue doing what I was doing, but man I just hate what RWT and spam has done games and wanted to help enforce that stance on a game I like. Instead, I come to find out nobody really cares. Maybe I'm just getting too old for this game

Tenebri said :
no. i didnt remotely suggest that.
considering i have already said to not put words in my mouth, and then your next post is doing it again i dont see any reason to carry on this conversation

Lol don't try to act all sanctimonious; what else could you have possibly meant? Correct me if I got it wrong; this is a discussion forum! You had no issues prior to that.

You say Pmod isn't a job and that Pmods aren't rule enforcers. What does that even mean in this context? What is a Pmod if not a rule enforcer? I get it's technically just a player with a silver icon and moderation abilities, but come on

20-Jul-2023 18:38:48 - Last edited on 22-Jul-2023 18:05:36 by Espionage724

Mr Brushie said :
Tenebri said :
Mr Brushie said :

Nice job, Pmods.

.

pmods are not rule enforcers, they are players.

it is not a job.

https://runescape.wiki/w/Player_Moderator#Misconceptions

That's a strawman argument and you know it.

Player moderators at least once upon a time were allowed to mute people who were saying dangerous/illicit/rude things. They'd click a checkbox to apply a temporary mute along with their abuse reports and a Jagex Mod would manually review the mute to ensure it was properly placed - if not, it was reversed.

A player moderator's primary role is to moderate players who step out of line. At least, it used to be - now it seems to be hosting "pink skirt" events.





pmods have a tool to mute, to de-escalate situations. it is not used as a punishment. punishment to players only come from jagex

so as i was saying. they are not rule enforcers. nor are they police etc.

200m all RS3 on 7/3/19

1.2Billion overall Slayer xp / Ultimate slayer title

OSRS 2277/2277 Untrim slayer cape

Hail Satan, He loves for who you are.

24-Jul-2023 15:55:26 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2023 16:06:09 by Tenebri

Tenebri said :
Mr Brushie said :
Tenebri said :
Mr Brushie said :

Nice job, Pmods.

.

pmods are not rule enforcers, they are players.

it is not a job.

https://runescape.wiki/w/Player_Moderator#Misconceptions

That's a strawman argument and you know it.

Player moderators at least once upon a time were allowed to mute people who were saying dangerous/illicit/rude things. They'd click a checkbox to apply a temporary mute along with their abuse reports and a Jagex Mod would manually review the mute to ensure it was properly placed - if not, it was reversed.

A player moderator's primary role is to moderate players who step out of line. At least, it used to be - now it seems to be hosting "pink skirt" events.





pmods have a tool to mute, to de-escalate situations. it is not used as a punishment. punishment to players only come from jagex

so as i was saying. they are not rule enforcers. nor are they police etc.

I'm not the Gingerbread man either and my neighbor isn't Santa Claus. How exactly is that relevant?

I'm not even sure the person was using job in that context. If I see someone doing yard work, I might say nice job. I'm not thinking if that's what they do for a job, and another person nearby certainly isn't going to correct me and say "ackchyually that's not their job they're just doing it".

Ok so Pmods aren't explicitly hired for a job. I mean they're selected for a role that comes with certain responsibilities and they get to accept or decline the position, and presumably Jagex isn't handing out Pmod positions for Pmods to not be doing anything, but ok Pmod is not explicitly a job. But a Pmod could have just as-easily saw a page of rants on a forum of an active spammer and decided to take the minute to log-in, go to W344 PC, right-click the obvious spammer, and moderate them.

25-Jul-2023 00:45:52