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Adarajin
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SlR said :
Tenebri said :
SlR said :
They ought to have levels of chat auto moderation: very strict, strict, medium, etc. Set every new account to very strict and add as many variations people would use to bypass filters. Sure, people will just 'mature' their accounts to bypass this, but if it's based off play-hours or skill level then they have to invest more time/effort if they want to spam websites. There's my constructive comment! Stop thinking in black and white, explore the many shades in between; there might not be a silver bullet fix but if we can put in hurdles to slow them down, that's worthwhile imo.
this would effect negatively on new accounts so much so many would feel so limited that wont want to play anymore.
And we all know how pivotal it is to the 'Runescape experience' to be able to post links as soon as you drop in from tutorial island, haha. Alright, suggest some obstacles we could put in place that don't have at least one negative side effect. Want an omelette? = break eggs...
And how do you propose that Jagex identify what is a legitimate post (link or not) meaning to be allowed, and a scammy advert? Once this distinction is made, might as well block it entirely, but until Jagex is able to make that distinction with heavy reliability, you have what we have now. It's a cat and mouse game, and while Jagex is always updating, so are the scammers. Things may be looking down now, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel;
Do you think I should get off the tracks?

14-Jul-2023 18:11:18

Espionage724
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Tenebri said :
"still there hours later"

yes of course they will be it wont be instant

how do you think jagex can tackle this? just banning them does nothing... literally nothing

Banning them prevents access to the game with that account, so they can't continue to spam. Unless there's a blatant method for free membership that anyone anywhere can use at any time, that's a barrier. At the very least, I'd assume people don't have hundreds of backup membership accounts sitting around just to advertise a RWT site, and even if they do, let em burn through them. I'm all for any and all inconveniences towards spam bots.

Tenebri said :

, these are by far the hardest bots to deal with, as they are replaced instantly. they require no training nothing, just need to be put in ge / any populated area. and away they go instantly.

you say nothing is actively done. but you literally are unable to see it because they are replaced with in the hour.
Bs they're replaced instantly. I'm still seeing some of the same exact names in Pest Control and 420 GE world, still happily spamming away, still after a few reports. Just some minutes ago at PC there's one that was spamming way more excessively than usual.

Tenebri said :

chat filters wont work. they are already in place its why they use special characters to speak. its easily avoidable.
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If someone says any known variation of "Discord" 5+ times a minute without changing zones, for multiple minutes... come on. No legitimate player anywhere is doing this. Just ban em. Are you for real? This is beyond easy to implement, and heck Jagex could even throw some of the most basic AI at this issue if they want to sound hip.

Spam bots are an eye-sore that I don't like to be seeing daily as a paying member, and I'm sure one of these days it'll push me enough to go to my bank. I don't see this problem in other AAA MMORPGs.

14-Jul-2023 18:52:13

Espionage724
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If I want to see auto-chat so badly, I can set the public chat option for it. Why even bother implementing it if you're not enforcing people to use it?

Jagex is quick to ban people for macroing even if there's no evidence of it, but gracefully ignores player reports of blatant macroing, website advertising, and RWT. I wouldn't be complaining about it if I didn't care about the game; I play OSRS daily, and also see this crap daily.

My ignore list should not be a substitute for proper rule enforcement by the company I'm paying, and I'm certain it was never intended to be interacted with multiple times daily.

14-Jul-2023 19:05:13

Applejuiceaj
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Espionage724 said :
Tenebri said :

, these are by far the hardest bots to deal with, as they are replaced instantly. they require no training nothing, just need to be put in ge / any populated area. and away they go instantly.

you say nothing is actively done. but you literally are unable to see it because they are replaced with in the hour.
Bs they're replaced instantly. I'm still seeing some of the same exact names in Pest Control and 420 GE world, still happily spamming away, still after a few reports. Just some minutes ago at PC there's one that was spamming way more excessively than usual.

You mentioned World 420 - that's a 1500 total level world. If you are seeing issues on that world, these aren't your throwaway spam accounts, but rather are likely hijacked accounts that were phished by the very thing they are potentially advertising. Banning those doesn't make sense, rather the better thing for Jagex to do would be to secure the account so the owner can recover it.

Automation can only do so much. You suggested that Jagex should action if a player says Discord more than 5x in a period of time, but if there is any potential that a real player could do that and get hit in the crossfire, its likely that Jagex wouldn't want to implement that heuristic. We have seen times where phrases added to Chatwatch have gone wrong and Jagex tends to make sure that what they add to it aren't things that will trip an actual player up.

Example, in the world I'm in right now someone was spamming about inferno capes - you can't really add that, as someone could be legitimately talking about getting an inferno cape. Automation likely wouldn't understand the context.

I get the concern, I too play OS daily and see it. The advertisements we see are getting harder to read, with way more special characters mixed in every day - to me that says Jagex is continuing to fight and our reports help to refine Chatwatch.

15-Jul-2023 02:38:51

SlR
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Adarajin said :

And how do you propose that Jagex identify what is a legitimate post (link or not) meaning to be allowed, and a scammy advert? Once this distinction is made, might as well block it entirely, but until Jagex is able to make that distinction with heavy reliability, you have what we have now. It's a cat and mouse game, and while Jagex is always updating, so are the scammers.
Yep, I think everyone and their dog (or cat) knows this. It's an ongoing thing. They need to get innovative, just as the bots/scammers do. Update the filter regularly. Luckily there are only so many ways they can bypass it before their messages look strange, which is a good deterrent. I was hoping people would add onto this.

It's easy to be a critic. I see the same faces posting defeatist comments with nothing constructive to add. Let's come up with ideas, treat it like a big game of Jenga and add your piece. Don't be that spoilt unruly child that can't wait to knock it down or see it crumble.

Another idea: What if we could customise our own chat filter? on top of what already exists? It's one thing to block spam reaching us, another thing to stop them being able to send it out. I don't think it's a crazy idea to put more restrictions on brand new accounts. New players ought to read more than talk when learning a new game, can we all agree there's some truth to that? Blocking '.co m' wont hinder them. I know posting links in-game is against the rules, but test a few 'workarounds' for yourself
(in an empty friends chat)
. They haven't tried very hard. The chat filter is out of date. Jagex need to play cat and mouse, not sleeping dog.

Why am I allowed to say 'testing.co' & 'testing.co m' etc. in-game? That was the first thing I checked, thinking "oh they'll have this one blocked, surely, it's an obvious one..." so yeah, I really don't feel like they're doing all they can, that's why these threads keep popping up. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

15-Jul-2023 12:15:38

Espionage724
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There's a bot at 344 PC right now spamming up Discord RWT. I reported him the last few times I got done in PC games, and sure enough they're still there, still spamming. Come on.

15-Jul-2023 20:20:43 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 03:07:19 by Espionage724

Espionage724
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6 PC games in a row, and they're still spamming in PC, after 6+ reports. Good job moderation!

This is stupid. It's clear as day blatant rule breaking that could be handed with such swift ease. Get a Pmod there or code the logic to get rid of these players. At least try to stand behind your favorite "game integrity" phrase with some... integrity :p

I'm calling out Pmods too as I know there has to be some viewing this message now. Go do the job you've volunteered to do. Log in, go to 344, ban the bot, and go back to whatever you were doing. Done.

Meanwhile I have the rest of the day free to continue complaining as if it'll do anything, and ironically if I complained with anywhere near the same rate as the bot I'd be forum moderated quicker I bet :p

15-Jul-2023 20:32:07 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 03:06:51 by Espionage724

Espionage724
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As funny as it is, the ignore list had to get patched to be cleared every so often to avoid performance issues, because people are flooding their lists more than ever intended. That's so silly that I'd be moderated for saying how I really feel about that logic :p

8 PC games so far, and that bot is still there. Hopefully I won't make it to 100 PC points

Edit: 9 games in a row, and I'm at 84 points. This must be a hard issue for such a small indie company ;p Jagex you should be hoping I'm never in a position to use or recommend you as a publisher. 10 games as I typed that btw.

15-Jul-2023 20:44:38 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 03:06:19 by Espionage724

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