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Espionage724
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Played a HoN match for about 30 minutes, ate, came back, and guess who is still at PC spamming the same RWT.

$11 btw. Glad that price increase is going towards productive things like butchering changing the entire Elf quest line so badly that it's ironically more old-school on RS3. Don't bother with some kindergarten-level chat analyzing to handle bots that would make this a non-issue.

15-Jul-2023 22:04:08 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 00:01:58 by Espionage724

Espionage724
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Did a quest, and that bot is still there right now, almost 4 hours later after multiple reports. Hilarious incompetence :p

I planted some WIllow Trees to get ready to do Enlightened Journey. Yeah that's 4 hours of tree growing. Will that bot still be around for 8+ hours? Nope, seems they're gone finally after 4-5 hours of non-stop spam! Pest Control was the quietest I've ever seen it (except in RS3 where nobody plays it outside of spotlight :p )

15-Jul-2023 23:47:10 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 16:23:48 by Espionage724

Applejuiceaj
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First things first, the forums don't allow for naming and shaming other players, regardless of reason. So that posts don't need to be removed, please edit the posts to remove the player's name . If you just change them to 'a player' that will be fine and get the point across (that its the same person) without needing to name them.


To address a few points, I did a little bit of sleuthing - that particular player is not a level 3 throwaway, so looks to be hijacked, which goes back to the point that Jagex should secure it, rather than flat out ban it. That way the owner can recover it and hopefully take steps to secure it.

Espionage724 said :
6 PC games in a row, and they're still spamming in PC, after 6+ reports. Good job moderation! [...] At least try to stand behind your favorite "game integrity" phrase with some... integrity :p


Given its hijacked, it needs manual intervention, not automatic intervention.

The other thing here is it reads like you're expecting that a report is going to be read instantly and dealt with, 6 games of pest control doesn't take that long. While there is automation looking for high risk things (think real life threats to a player, there are stories of police showing up at a player's door within an hour for something they said in-game), RWT spam likely isn't as high of a priority as that. My guess is the player you reference will be secured within a day of your report, which might seem long to you, but for a game that has over 100,000 players on at the current time and could have thousands of reports being sent about player behavior an hour, isn't that bad of a turnaround.

Since you edited your last post, 4 hours isn't that bad of a turnaround from report to something happening. And before you point fingers, no, I had nothing to do with it since FMods are not necessarily PMods and I've been at a player hosted event the last hour anyway.

16-Jul-2023 01:05:58

Applejuiceaj
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Espionage724 said :
I'm calling out Pmods too as I know there has to be some viewing this message now. Go do the job you've volunteered to do. Log in, go to 344, ban [name edited], and go back to whatever you were doing. Done.


That sounds like a bit of a misunderstanding of how the PMod role works and its intentions. There's some information on PMods here which you may find of interest.

Of note, Jagex aren't looking for PMods to turn into rule enforcing machines, but rather they're looking for all around awesome players and wants them to continue to play as they currently are. With that in mind, most PMods aren't going to drop everything to report a spamming player with a temporary mute, but rather are going to play the game as they always have and they'll report what they happen to come across in their travels - for instance, they might report a few advertising players if they visit the GE, but they aren't expected to hop the entire world list looking for trouble. They are just volunteer players, after all, not Jagex staff.

You likely won't see Jagex staff hopping worlds looking for that type of stuff either, since they have other tools at their disposal to pick up on that type of activity behind the scenes (and if they were ingame doing that sort of thing, they'd probably set their player visibility to invisible so they don't get swarmed).

16-Jul-2023 01:06:08

Espionage724
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Applejuiceaj said :
First things first, the forums don't allow for naming and shaming other players, regardless of reason. So that posts don't need to be removed, please edit the posts to remove the player's name .

Yep that's useful. I can see some scenarios why that would be a rule, but that's cool that you'd rather protect a spammer and be part of the problem. Am I causing more of a problem than RWT spammers by naming and shaming them? Maybe a friend of that account may have seen this post and could have told the real account holder.

Applejuiceaj said :
...that particular player is not a level 3 throwaway, so looks to be hijacked, which goes back to the point that Jagex should secure it, rather than flat out ban it. That way the owner can recover it and hopefully take steps to secure it.

Yeah I'm sure that owner will come back after some days if ever to recover their account. They were in such a rush to get to it when it happened after all ignoring email notifications! In the meantime, the hijacker should get free-reign to break rules and disrupt my gameplay, because... what? Is their money better than mine? Premier btw :p

Applejuiceaj said :

Given its hijacked, it needs manual intervention, not automatic intervention.

That's even more reason for automatic intervention. Account gets hijacked, logged into a new location and IP, repeats the same Discord RWT spam over-and-over consistently, for 4+ hours, after multiple reports. Yeah nothing suspicious about that activity, just let that account continue disruptive behavior because the owner might return.

Jagex will ban for macroing and limit appeals on this based on their own sometimes flawed automated moderation and discretion. But I as a paying player going out of my way to manually report an obvious rule-breaker can't do anything aside from lowering my performance with a massive ignore list? Lol

16-Jul-2023 04:09:16 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2023 16:44:36 by Espionage724

Espionage724
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Applejuiceaj said :
The other thing here is it reads like you're expecting that a report is going to be read instantly and dealt with, 6 games of pest control doesn't take that long.


If a player is being reported more than 2 times, and is obviously engaging in spam that can easily be detected, yeah someone should take the few minutes to actually look at a report. $11 btw. Multiple hours btw. Multiple manual reports btw. I couldn't have highlighted that bot more clearly in system logs.

This is not an issue in any other AAA MMORPG. Not the free or cheap GW2, and not the $4 more a month WoW or FFXIV. Spammers get obliterated in short order, and the same names certainly aren't sitting around multiple hours later with multiple reports and a loud forum post. I don't remember the last time I manually reported in any of those games even :p

Applejuiceaj said :

You likely won't see Jagex staff hopping worlds looking for that type of stuff either, since they have other tools at their disposal to pick up on that type of activity behind the scenes (and if they were ingame doing that sort of thing, they'd probably set their player visibility to invisible so they don't get swarmed).


They don't have to hop the entire world list. Pest Control is only on 344, and the spam largely only happens right near the boats. There's endless ideas to implement to filter spam in such an isolated area.

People aren't always available, I get it. I'm sure someone was around during that 4+ hour non-sense and just didn't find it a priority, but whatever; hope that $11 was covering a decent cocktail. But even someone living under a rock has surely heard of AI nowadays; go find some HS programmer who likes OSRS, give em a few hours, and I'm sure they can have some functional automatic moderation of such simple spam that's better than... obviously nothing.

16-Jul-2023 04:10:13 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 16:17:33 by Espionage724

Tenebri
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Espionage724 said :
Tenebri said :
"still there hours later"

yes of course they will be it wont be instant

how do you think jagex can tackle this? just banning them does nothing... literally nothing


Banning them prevents access to the game with that account, so they can't continue to spam. Unless there's a blatant method for free membership that anyone anywhere can use at any time, that's a barrier. At the very least, I'd assume people don't have hundreds of backup membership accounts sitting around just to advertise a RWT site, and even if they do, let em burn through them. I'm all for any and all inconveniences towards spam bots.


no because they get replaced instantly, as you have said yourself

so that does nothing.
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19-Jul-2023 20:15:23

Espionage724
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Tenebri said :
Espionage724 said :
Tenebri said :
"still there hours later"

yes of course they will be it wont be instant

how do you think jagex can tackle this? just banning them does nothing... literally nothing


Banning them prevents access to the game with that account, so they can't continue to spam. Unless there's a blatant method for free membership that anyone anywhere can use at any time, that's a barrier. At the very least, I'd assume people don't have hundreds of backup membership accounts sitting around just to advertise a RWT site, and even if they do, let em burn through them. I'm all for any and all inconveniences towards spam bots.


no because they get replaced instantly, as you have said yourself

so that does nothing.


There's not infinite accounts and payment processors since membership costs money somewhere in the chain. Spammers would eventually lose.

Did you really say not to ban spammers because they can just come back? Are you aiming for head of anti-cheat at Jagex? Lmao

20-Jul-2023 05:01:12 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2023 05:01:46 by Espionage724

Mr Brushie

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Jagex seems to simply not care anymore.

I always seem someone auto-typing "giving my last items away 250m" nonstop at the GE, and occasionally at Fart Forinthry.

Hell, there's player moderators in these areas bearing witness to this flagrant rulebreaking, but do they mute them? Nope.

Nice job, Pmods.

It's pointless to care. For your own sanity, you're better off with the stance that scamming, hacking, and botting are core features of RuneScape.

20-Jul-2023 07:41:14

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