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Espionage724
Dec Member 2022

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It seems like such low-hanging fruit to be able to moderate people auto-typing Discord urls for cape and other RWT services. I report them, and the same people are still there hours later, repeating the same messages. Just step foot in GE or Pest Control and the messages come in at all times daily.

Is it even worth it to report these bots? It just seems easy enough to rotate a single moderator near the Pest Control boats to handle those bots individually, and to have some kind of text detection or flag for people repeating the same messages with the word "Discord" in them for everywhere else. Someone saying "Discord" 5 times a minute at the GE is very likely not a legitimate player :p

Or maybe Jagex gets more of a benefit from the chat bots and wants them to continue existing like they are? Let em buy bonds and membership to have their fun, maybe eliminate them after a day, and let them come back with more bonds and membership. The people using the RWT services also continue playing and buying bonds and membership.

It feels disingenuous to have a report option for RWT, not see anything actively done, and people still advertising away daily. Go to page 2 or 3 for a nice period of 4+ hours of an active spammer that I could do nothing but complain about after numerous reports!

Edit: I'll name-and-shame through this thread, and ironically that'll probably get me moderated sooner than some of these bots :p Nope, have to protect the rights of spammers according to rules I've been told, because they're more important than me as a prior-paying player I guess. I'll just continue ranting and give vague notes on active spammers not being dealt with quickly while I wait for Premier to run out.

I've realized this doesn't really matter; simply block and play on, and leave the moderation tactics to people getting paid :p

11-Jul-2023 23:36:07 - Last edited on 01-Aug-2023 18:54:29 by Espionage724

Tenebri
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"still there hours later"

yes of course they will be it wont be instant


how do you think jagex can tackle this? just banning them does nothing... literally nothing, these are by far the hardest bots to deal with, as they are replaced instantly. they require no training nothing, just need to be put in ge / any populated area. and away they go instantly.

you say nothing is actively done. but you literally are unable to see it because they are replaced with in the hour.

chat filters wont work. they are already in place its why they use special characters to speak. its easily avoidable. and the stricter the chat filter becomes the more it will effect legit players.

so yes this sucks 100% but its not easy to get rid of like you think it is.


Espionage724 said :


Or maybe Jagex gets more of a benefit from the chat bots and wants them to continue existing like they are?


no jagex lose money on them.

i dont know how long you have been playing, but if you have been playing a while youll know of the time of the trade limit. that was because of rwters. and this was the only way to stop them, literally stopping everyone trading. they had to do this or banks were going to stop dealing with jagex.
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12-Jul-2023 00:12:48 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2023 00:15:57 by Tenebri

SlR
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They ought to have levels of chat auto moderation: very strict, strict, medium, etc. Set every new account to very strict and add as many variations people would use to bypass filters. Sure, people will just 'mature' their accounts to bypass this, but if it's based off play-hours or skill level then they have to invest more time/effort if they want to spam websites. There's my constructive comment! Stop thinking in black and white, explore the many shades in between; there might not be a silver bullet fix but if we can put in hurdles to slow them down, that's worthwhile imo. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

12-Jul-2023 09:02:09 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2023 09:03:42 by SlR

Bruce Waayne
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i dont think they can be banned until they log out. So after that 8 hour log out time or w/e it is they will be banned.
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12-Jul-2023 17:49:46

Tenebri
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SlR said :
They ought to have levels of chat auto moderation: very strict, strict, medium, etc. Set every new account to very strict and add as many variations people would use to bypass filters. Sure, people will just 'mature' their accounts to bypass this, but if it's based off play-hours or skill level then they have to invest more time/effort if they want to spam websites. There's my constructive comment! Stop thinking in black and white, explore the many shades in between; there might not be a silver bullet fix but if we can put in hurdles to slow them down, that's worthwhile imo.


this would effect negatively on new accounts so much so many would feel so limited that wont want to play anymore.
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12-Jul-2023 20:04:19

Aslon Dak

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The most effective weapon against these scambots is education.

The sad reality is these bots appear in the game advertising these links because players, particularly new players, don't know any better and will visit these sites, thinking they have been lucky enough to find such a great deal. Of course, they learn otherwise when their credentials get stolen, or they get infected with malware, or end up getting banned for RWT.

The more players know to avoid the sites advertised by these scambots, the less money the scammers will make off the misery of others.

While it would be great to see Jagex shut down these scammers as soon as they appear, I understand why that's not possible.

What each of us can do as players is not fall victim to these scam sites, no matter what they claim to offer. Make it not worth their time to invade our game.
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12-Jul-2023 21:29:59 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2023 06:34:12 by Aslon Dak

Tenebri
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Aslon Dak said :
The most effective weapon against these scambots is education.

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yep this is it

unfortunately the facts are, they carry on doing this because people fall for it. if no one would fall for it, they would stop. the fact that there is now loads of them is just showing this scam works too well. and lots of people fall for it.
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13-Jul-2023 10:25:35

Aslon Dak

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I rarely see these scambots in-game these days, as I play on low-populated worlds.

Back in the day, when I would see one advertising at the Grand Exchange, I would report them, then stand next to the bot and type messages like "<---- Do not visit that site. It's a scam!" or something along those lines.

Did it make a noticeable difference? I doubt it. However, if I helped even one 'Scaper to think twice and not fall victim to a scammer, then it was worth it.
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14-Jul-2023 06:32:44

Jeremy Cheng
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These bots are always going to be a problem as long as jagex keeps giving free amazon prime prime gaming memberships, get rid of that and suddenly there'll be way less of these advertising bots that take advantage of stolen cc's.

14-Jul-2023 06:35:11

SlR
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Tenebri said :
SlR said :
They ought to have levels of chat auto moderation: very strict, strict, medium, etc. Set every new account to very strict and add as many variations people would use to bypass filters. Sure, people will just 'mature' their accounts to bypass this, but if it's based off play-hours or skill level then they have to invest more time/effort if they want to spam websites. There's my constructive comment! Stop thinking in black and white, explore the many shades in between; there might not be a silver bullet fix but if we can put in hurdles to slow them down, that's worthwhile imo.


this would effect negatively on new accounts so much so many would feel so limited that wont want to play anymore.

And we all know how pivotal it is to the 'Runescape experience' to be able to post links as soon as you drop in from tutorial island, haha. Alright, suggest some obstacles we could put in place that don't have at least one negative side effect. Want an omelette? = break eggs...
Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

14-Jul-2023 13:14:50 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2023 13:17:37 by SlR

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