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Archaeox
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Immortalized said :
Jagex has already explained why those were inappropriate. This thread is not to discuss that, just to recognize the inconsistency in applying this line of thinking.
Yes, the inconsistency is clear.

While I understand the need to keep RS3 and OSRS separate, to the extent of their having different production teams and different content, issues like diversity should indeed be subject to a company-wide policy. Otherwise, the adoption of melioration measures looks insincere at best, and like just lip-service to a trending idea at worst.
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18-Jan-2022 14:30:10 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2022 14:31:04 by Archaeox

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1. There is still an NPC with the name Aligra Nite
2. This update was never applied to OSRS

The first is incredibly offensive

Ignoring the Ali bit which has already been discussed at length... it's not dehumanising at all, it's traditional.

Many surnames are originally derived from peoples professions, e.g. "Cooper" is what barrel makers are known as, "Smith" speaks for itself (and is the commonest English surname)
There are many, many more including Butler, Hunter, Mason, Fisher, Brewer, etc. etc.

If you find that offensive you'd have to apply it to people like King Arthur; his name describes his job too.

If it's the puns that offend you, why no mention of the White Knights? there is a difference that he is named ALI + granite. the entire point of the update was to give everyone a real name, not some bland typical expected name. consider if jagex made an area in game meant to reflect the real-world area of, let's say, china, and everyone there was named ming. maybe with a slight variation, such as, mingling, minglang, mingmin, etc. (these are real names) it may be subtle but it is a rude way to caricaturize the people by such minimization of their backgrounds into something trivial like that. maybe you disagree, that's fine, no one is upset at you for your opinion, but the real point is that jagex made a conscious decision to stop calling everybody "Ali" and left this guy as "Ali" + "Granite" which is a failure on their part to follow through with the decision they made, regardless of how we personally feel about it Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

18-Jan-2022 23:52:27

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Archaeox said :
Immortalized said :
Jagex has already explained why those were inappropriate. This thread is not to discuss that, just to recognize the inconsistency in applying this line of thinking.
Yes, the inconsistency is clear.

While I understand the need to keep RS3 and OSRS separate, to the extent of their having different production teams and different content, issues like diversity should indeed be subject to a company-wide policy. Otherwise, the adoption of melioration measures looks insincere at best, and like just lip-service to a trending idea at worst. exactly, if jagex wants us to believe they really care about diversity and inclusion and anti-racism then this is the worst thing to notice in game. that 1) they still have incredibly obvious examples of this theme still in the game and 2) they have an entire game (with larger playerbase!) where none of these changes were even made. so what do we make of this? that jagex believes these things are anti-diverse and racist, but has chosen to preserve them in their other titles? well sorry to say, but I am left to assume that some people at jagex think their own company is racist and anti-diverse.

I honestly do not know how else you are supposed to interpret this situation jagex has found themselves in. you cannot say one thing then do the exact opposite, there is clear evidence that jagex by their own definition is anti-diverse and potentially racist. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

18-Jan-2022 23:55:34

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There is a difference between 'name calling' and an opinion of an misguided ideology - this you fail to see - as you fail to see the using an accusatory argument of 'racism' in a trivial manner for instances where no racism exists or is intended.

Let's keep the racism vigil for the real pursuit of those who have this vile tendency and who mean to harm and distress, not some made up wokery notion wrapped up in a vigilante cancel culture.

24-Jan-2022 00:16:20

Archaeox
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I think we're in danger of confusing two issues here:

1. Whether a diversity policy is a good thing or not.
2. Whether such a policy is being applied consistently.

No.1 is something that the RS3 team have already tackled and decided in the affirmative.

This thread is about no.2. Let's try not to get distracted.
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24-Jan-2022 06:38:02

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Archaeox said :
I think we're in danger of confusing two issues here:

1. Whether a diversity policy is a good thing or not.
2. Whether such a policy is being applied consistently.

No.1 is something that the RS3 team have already tackled and decided in the affirmative.

This thread is about no.2. Let's try not to get distracted.

There is also the issue of repeated outlandish accusations.
eg
Immortalized said :
there is clear evidence that jagex by their own definition is anti-diverse and potentially racist.

24-Jan-2022 08:02:29

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Can't see any offense here (I'm Arab). Namepuns where a Runescape thing from the beginning... Neitiznot (No it's not), Jatizso (Yes it is so), Mos Le'Harmless (Mostly harmless)

Bruh, cmon dont take the fun out of the Game...

25-Jan-2022 15:52:06

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ToP BaSS said :
There is also the issue of repeated outlandish accusations.
eg
Immortalized said :
there is clear evidence that jagex by their own definition is anti-diverse and potentially racist. what is the accusation? jagex is the one claiming these are anti-diverse and racist themes, yet does not follow through with their commitment to resolve them. heck they did not even try at all on OSRS. so my statement is factual, by their own definition they are anti-diverse and potentially racist. this is true even if it upsets you for whatever reason Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

27-Jan-2022 04:31:36

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