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Luis12345LTS
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Telcis said :

Wow, lots of things wrong with this post.
Essentially, you need to learn how logic works.

Before recommending things its appropriate learning things oneself don't you think? like right or wrong.

Telcis said :
The best interest of Jagex includes the players, as we are their market. If we all stopped paying, there would be no profit and thus no Jagex. RSC was excluded in that, throw in numbers how many played constantly RSC since they had killed player base over the years? 500? How many accounts eligible play OSRS and RSC? 100k? Are you speaking of the 100k or the 1000? If you speak of the 100k well if they didn't play RSC it didn't matter to them much keeping them open or closed.

Telcis said :

If someone has committed suicide (cite your source), it is not fair to blame Jagex. There is underlying issues that would be present for an action like that.
Not if, and unless you are unaware is not best naming them everyone has their privacy rights even after they pass away. Jagex had named the decease of a player in 2003 and the news were taken down. Its not appropriate to thinking I blame Jagex for how people have reacted on the aftermath. But it should be appropriate to have a better follow up on the players.

01-Sep-2018 08:35:57 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2018 08:52:28 by Luis12345LTS

Bel Tiamat
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Telcis said :
Luis12345LTS said :
What we can do is open other people's eyes of perhaps a false impression they might have on Jagex.

Do it with fact, cite sources.

Otherwise, don your tinfoil hat and shout at the moon monkeys that are stealing your thoughts. Jagex deserves the same treatment as you do, because its made up of people.
So while you may want to invent or stretch what happened to make it easier for you to make a case. Think what would happen if someone did that to you.

Its a bit hard to "cite sources" when we are the sauce and they've eaten us and now we're just a steaming pile of crap. Dear God, please send the competition, feels like there ain't any.
I long lost count of the victories, there were just far too many.

01-Sep-2018 08:49:11

Draco Burnz
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Telcis said :
SIXTY-NIN3 said :
To think that RS3/OSRS could one day go the same way as RSC is reeling.
Nothing will last forever, so its sort of a redundant statement. Besides the realization of such.
In a single word, entropy.

But, RSC wasn't the end of Runescape. Runescape still continues and will continue on while its still profitable.

Don't treat your achievements as things, treat it as an experience.

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01-Sep-2018 11:00:02

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :
They have not spoken with us
I think you mean, they haven't spoken with you. The have spoken to the RSC community as a whole when it was announce it would be closed, and then again when it was. They even delayed the closure so that a RSC community member could finish a quest they were live streaming.
This boils down to you feeling personally wronged by Jagex, and perceiving that as lack of empathy by Jagex.

Telcis said :
Literally that could have happened 2006, 2013, 2016 can happen to any game any time.
Yes, it could have. But thankfully didn't. The problem with potential problems like that, is tied into Jagex not having anyone that could work on the code.
If there was an exploit found on OSRS or RS3, it could be patched fairly quickly once Jagex is alerted to it. That couldn't happen with RSC, because they don't have anyone to work on it.
Which means it was a significant risk.

Luis12345LTS said :
taking a side is inherently biased.
Haha no, bias would be me acting to further a cause where I gain.
"inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair."
I don't have any prejudices here. I see falsely represented information and address it.

Luis12345LTS said :

Luis12345LTS said :

What you and Rob are doing is wrong
Under perspectives what you have done is also wrong . You cannot place a right or wrong here as they are subjective.
I am not using the term "wrong" based on the subjective arguments, I am using the term wrong based of your objective misrepresentation of information that amounts to slander .
Sensationalistic writing to further your cause undermines the credibility of what you want to achieve. That is what is wrong.

02-Sep-2018 00:03:11

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :

-"Jagex made the Gowers liars," Ok so who's fault does it rely on? The dog? The Gowers left us that they would leave the game for us whilst we paid.
-"Corporate greed has infiltrated Jagex" Maybe its an exaggeration who know
-"Jagex's excuses were lies," They threw in that bugs and game glitches all of a sudden mattered so thats oddly weird
-"They have betrayed their eldest customers" Hasn't been proven otherwise.


The Gowers made a promise that couldn't be kept. The sales of Jagex to other parties would also null and void any promises made before the sales. It is no ones fault.

The problem with exaggerations like this is that there is no proof. Its an empty claim to emotionalize an argument.

They didn't say that the game was closing because of current glitches and bugs alone. It was the potential for serious game breaking bugs to occur. As well as the security concerns. You are taking each point out of context.

As one of their eldest customers, I haven't been betrayed. Neither has Tuffty who probably predates even Jagex (jury is still out on that one).
So it goes to show that they aren't targeting their eldest customers, they are targeting a risk which just so happens to include some veteran players.
Its also worth mentioning that being a veteran doesn't give you priority over other players, that would be elitism.

Luis12345LTS said :

Before recommending things its appropriate learning things oneself don't you think? like right or wrong.

You misunderstood my post about what you were doing that was wrong, I have hopefully cleared it up enough that you will understand. Then you need to read the message I wrote again.

02-Sep-2018 00:16:43

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :

Telcis said :
The best interest of Jagex includes the players, as we are their market. If we all stopped paying, there would be no profit and thus no Jagex. RSC was excluded in that, throw in numbers how many played constantly RSC since they had killed player base over the years? 500? How many accounts eligible play OSRS and RSC? 100k? Are you speaking of the 100k or the 1000? If you speak of the 100k well if they didn't play RSC it didn't matter to them much keeping them open or closed.


When I say player base, I talk about all players on every version of the game.
Jagex treats everyone equally and fairly when they make decisions like this. They have to consider the future of Runescape.

Luis12345LTS said :

Telcis said :

If someone has committed suicide (cite your source), it is not fair to blame Jagex. There is underlying issues that would be present for an action like that.
Not if, and unless you are unaware is not best naming them everyone has their privacy rights even after they pass away.

So you refuse to provide a source for your information.

Based off your previous false claims. How can I take you seriously? You don't care if you lie to get your way, bend the truth. This is why credibility is important.
Jagex's obligation to the players ends when they log out, they aren't your parents, they don't need to feed you, dress you or tell you who to vote for.

02-Sep-2018 00:24:12

Draco Burnz
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Telcis said :
Luis12345LTS said :

Telcis said :
The best interest of Jagex includes the players, as we are their market. If we all stopped paying, there would be no profit and thus no Jagex. RSC was excluded in that, throw in numbers how many played constantly RSC since they had killed player base over the years? 500? How many accounts eligible play OSRS and RSC? 100k? Are you speaking of the 100k or the 1000? If you speak of the 100k well if they didn't play RSC it didn't matter to them much keeping them open or closed.


When I say player base, I talk about all players on every version of the game.
Jagex treats everyone equally and fairly when they make decisions like this. They have to consider the future of Runescape.

Luis12345LTS said :

Telcis said :

If someone has committed suicide (cite your source), it is not fair to blame Jagex. There is underlying issues that would be present for an action like that.
Not if, and unless you are unaware is not best naming them everyone has their privacy rights even after they pass away.

So you refuse to provide a source for your information.

Based off your previous false claims. How can I take you seriously? You don't care if you lie to get your way, bend the truth. This is why credibility is important.
Jagex's obligation to the players ends when they log out, they aren't your parents, they don't need to feed you, dress you or tell you who to vote for.

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02-Sep-2018 01:26:37

Luis12345LTS
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@Telcis

I request you politely to stop.

Not only do you tweak things to your convenience, are directly targeting questions over and over which I don't think its suited correctly, as stated some pages earlier by a fellow player YOU are choosing a horrid tone.

But the main reason I request you to stop is because I do not find appropriate accusing me of providing false information with respect to that player, you are unaware of people's privacy and just jump to you are lying. But if sad stories amuses you, my grandfather has cancer, it was discovered to him in like October of last year. If you want, you can provide an email so I send you a copy of his medical record, or maybe have it hosted over imgur. Though its in spanish but w/e. You are unaware how distinct players can be linked over Runescape, not everyone uses it to play. You seem to think like oh no it will never happen, that stopping a game can't affect people, to degrees like suicide, just as having a game can help them live better emotionally. Want an example of someone which was helped with Runescape, the old nite, m oldfield and ladymedusa, just to cite some. For the record I do not hold Jagex accountable for anything positive or negative that comes out of games' actions or decisions. However, as stated there are outcomes out of them.

I won't go over the rest of what you counter argument because you are not getting a good tone over things.

02-Sep-2018 05:12:04 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2018 06:34:49 by Luis12345LTS

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