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Leigha523

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Rob, your post was removed from the top of the last page. If you question a mod's actions please take it to FMR.

Draco Burnz, while everyone has their own feelings about the different versions, you could try to understand how it must feel to no longer have a game that you have spent years on. Building that character, for it to just be gone. A little bit of understanding goes a long way. And that can help make for a much better community.
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31-Aug-2018 23:10:59 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2018 23:12:30 by Leigha523

Telcis

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Immortalized said :
Telcis said :
Immortalized said :
it barely costs anything to run a rsc server lol... technology from 2004
Cost was not the reason the servers were closed, read the news post about RSC closing. It has the information you need.
cost is the reason anything happens
Sure, it is a capitalist society.
But its not direct cost that caused the closure, it was the cost of risk.

31-Aug-2018 23:16:49

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Telcis said :
Immortalized said :
Telcis said :
Immortalized said :
it barely costs anything to run a rsc server lol... technology from 2004
Cost was not the reason the servers were closed, read the news post about RSC closing. It has the information you need.
cost is the reason anything happens
Sure, it is a capitalist society.
But its not direct cost that caused the closure, it was the cost of risk.
it barely costs risk to run rsc server... there u go Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

31-Aug-2018 23:19:50

Luis12345LTS
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Telcis said :



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Agreeing to them does not leave out the fact that the T&C are not a win/win but rather a win/lose.

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Following on the line that they wanted to close down their games, they gave time yes. Plenty is arguable but is not the scope of this thread. They gave reasons which again is arguable like the bugs and bots which is a nice bed time story that all of a sudden that made an issue to them.

Perhaps out of all the reasons the best one would be that they couldn't guarantee the players' safety since the accounts are linked for both RS3/OSRS and RSC. RSC being inherently the weakest link since they deliberately turned down the support over past years, a quick easy path was to shut things down. An alternative could have been to make the platform independent of everything else. Another alternative could have been to retake on selling it off. The list just goes on. Its biased that RSC had to close, its just a path they took.
When it can be made clear what other options were explored as in advantages/disadvantages of the possible alternatives out there then maybe it can be put better in context the analysis, to lower the bias on that.

"at what point does it become an unreasonable expectation or demand?" - When they can clear things up maybe that can come to context.

If Rob and I and have been speaking out here, is because outcomes could have been made better. Example you are going to stop supporting a game, is letting your community know too much to ask? If you are having difficulties keeping something running like RSC, I think it would be fair to let your players know about it before just having to close things down.

01-Sep-2018 00:29:49 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2018 01:07:52 by Luis12345LTS

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Leigha523 said :
Rob, your post was removed from the top of the last page. If you question a mod's actions please take it to FMR.

Draco Burnz, while everyone has their own feelings about the different versions, you could try to understand how it must feel to no longer have a game that you have spent years on. Building that character, for it to just be gone. A little bit of understanding goes a long way. And that can help make for a much better community.


Greatly worded Leigha, it is over a decade lapse for me that I had been on classic, more memories there from what I could collect playing in RS2 and more than what I have on RS3. Not only is it heart breaking but knowing there is no guarantee for OSRS and RS3 (or whatever version turns in the future) eventually meeting the same fate doesn't help. Maybe some people would think that I am bluffing but literally have not spend more than 1h collected time on OSRS and RS3 since the closure, and yes I have played them and are great but simply can't stay there.

There are some great folks out there who probably miss me, I miss them, the situation just had let me turn them down. Hope you can understand Telcis, maybe you are not as hurt as us but its something. I have folks out there who plainly have not even been able to touch on their social media on the aftermath of what happened.

01-Sep-2018 00:46:49 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2018 00:55:39 by Luis12345LTS

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Luis12345LTS said :
Not only is it heart breaking but knowing there is no guarantee for OSRS and RS3 (or whatever version turns in the future) eventually meeting the same fate doesn't help.
I didn't really get into Classic so I can't agree without it seeming like an empty sentiment, but I get where you're coming from when you frame it like that. To think that RS3/OSRS could one day go the same way as RSC is reeling. Granted, virtual achievements are inherently intangible, but for them to disappear entirely... Yikes, dude. For what it's worth, my condolences. In the meantime, keep that chin up. It might help to remember that RS is just a game, regardless of how important it became over the years. And all good things must come to an end. “Nothing is so common as the wish to be remarkable.”

01-Sep-2018 01:26:06

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :

Agreeing to them does not leave out the fact that the T&C are not a win/win but rather a win/lose.

You don't lose out when you know where you stand. You only lose if you assume you had more than you did.

Jagex isn't going to create a terms and conditions that negatively effects them, they are a business after all.
Luis12345LTS said :

Plenty is arguable but is not the scope of this thread. They gave reasons which again is arguable like the bugs and bots which is a nice bed time story that all of a sudden that made an issue to them.
I'd say that its all within the scope of this thread. OP states that Jagex are liars and makes a few very sensationalistic remarks. Most if not all are untrue, and there's very little credibility to what is claimed.
But that's a tangent, for what you talk about the time warning that the game will be closing is kind of relevant because it speaks for Jagex doing more than they were obligated to help the community through information.
As for the reasons, I believe it was more the fact that they didn't have anyone who could work on the game. Which meant that if a security breach was found, the game would have had to be close immediately. So to mitigate that risk and do right by the community they announced a closing date well in advance.
You can disagree with the choice they made from the reasons given, but you don't have millions of dollars invested in the decision, nor do you have the run on effect of people's jobs. That may influence your decision to err on the side of caution.
I say this, because it seems like you think its a joke reason that Jagex has given. It is not, it is a carefully considered action that shows they care about the long term of their player base.

01-Sep-2018 01:36:21

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :

An alternative
Referencing this whole point.
Do Jagex need to explicitly state the options that they looked at? No, they don't need to. They could, and I'm sure some players would appreciate it.
There's also no reason to believe that they didn't look into alternatives. If they were following what most other businesses do when in similar situations they would have certainly addressed as many possible options as they could.
But once again, the ultimate decision and weighting of each outcome is decided by Jagex.
Its in their best interest to act in the interest of the majority.

Luis12345LTS said :

"at what point does it become an unreasonable expectation or demand?" - When they can clear things up maybe that can come to context.

That was a question for you. At what point would you consider expectations or demands to become unreasonable? For example, would you consider asking Jagex to pay you a million dollars a week to play their game?

Luis12345LTS said :

If Rob and I and have been speaking out here, is because outcomes could have been made better.
But where is the end? Its great that you want to improve things, but where does your quest for improvements start to be a witchhunt for Jagex?
You need to clearly define what you believe is acceptable as a bare minimum, then compare it to what Jagex has to provide at bare minimum. Then look at what they have done compared to their minimum.
Did you find your expectation for what they had to do was much, much higher than what they had to do?
Id take a guess that your expectations far exceeded what Jagex had to do as well as what they did do.
The point where it becomes unfair, is when you set the standard for what is acceptable. Because, it moves up the more Jagex actually does.

01-Sep-2018 01:48:09

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