RuneScape Forum Archive | A Dangerous Precedent

Sep

2010

Rob

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In 2012, I was part of one of the biggest legit clan on RuneScape Classic.

Classic seemed to be putting along peacefully. A major part

of our clan was to oust botters, record them for picture/video evidence, keep track of their names/combat levels. Same with scammers.

We kind of did our own thing, because Jagex's neglect had already begun and botting was now an open and normal thing to do. We didn't like that.

Anyways, one day, along comes

Mod (Redacted)

. He's an old school Classic player, and at first was very helpful. He would do things like reset the servers when a troll broke the crystal chest. He would fool around with the game and do fun things, but aside from that he was an actual player on his personal account. When I'm referring to him, I'll try to remember to make his redacted name yellow.

Anyways; he was good friends with

(Redacted)

, who was a known bot, and very big into real world trading. We frowned upon it, but we also understood that lots of bots were very kind people that just did bad things.

I'm basically going to post an excerpt from my clan's archived boards, though most of the "proof" you're wanting is via personal information and logged IP addresses, which are not allowed on these forums.

15-Aug-2018 15:59:51 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 16:14:27 by Rob

Sep

2010

Rob

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After quite a while of knowing

Mod (Redacted)

, I was surprised to hear the following information.

7 September, 2012

(Redacted)

was deleted from this site an removed from the clan as of 2 days ago. Reasons are as follows:

For those of you who did not know,

(Redacted)

is

Mod (redacted)

.

Mod (redacted)

quit Jagex a few days back.

Anyways, long story short, some info was being leaked from this site, to

(Redacted)

, (known in game as

(Redacted)

, and

(Redacted)

primarily, formerly known as

(Redacted)

.

Since

Mod (Redacted)

was/is good friends with

(Redacted)

, and

(Redacted)

got the leaked info just a few minutes after one of

Mod (Redacted)'s

logins on this site, plus a few other signs put together means, JMod or not, he was the prime suspect.

15-Aug-2018 16:00:00 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 20:27:14 by Rob

Sep

2010

Rob

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As we all now know,

(Redacted)

is involved with RWT and routinely trades billions from RSC to RS2 to then sell for real life cash. He advertises it in RSC, in public chat, as well as via skype, and anywhere else really, yet has recieved no lasting mute. Why? He claims to have JMod friends.

(Redacted)

, perhaps? Protecting him?

(Redacted)

claims to have had a PMod mute lifted. Why would a blatant RWT mute be lifted?

Pic of public chat RSC: PHOTO REDACTED

Pic of Skype: PHOTO REDACTED

Furthermore, he has recently come into *many* rares, gp, etc which has caused a bit of an uproar in the RSC community (Example: PHOTO REDACTED.)

Coincidentally this happens just as

(Redacted)

is leaving Jagex... How could

(Redacted)

be involved?

15-Aug-2018 16:00:07 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 18:42:00 by Rob

Sep

2010

Rob

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1.

(Redacted)

could have checked recovs and other acc info on old RSC accounts with valuable items on them. Then, gave the info to

(Redacted)

, so he could recov the acc, or something similar. This could explain the

'(Redacted)'

account that logged in with the 5 crackers that

(Redacted)

was selling for IRL $, and other random rares suddenly appearing.

Have doubts? Well, unfortunately,

(Redacted/Mod Redacted)'s

IP is confirmed as being one of the IP's to access

(Redacted)'s

account on a RWT site. Thanks to

(Redacted)

, we got an IP check for

(Redacted)'s

acc on said RWT site. Pic below.

Screenie of the only two IP's that have used that acc: PHOTO REDACTED

One IP is

(Redacted)'s

(Verified). The other is

(Redacted)/Mod (Redacted)

. You can tell, as this is his profile from this site, before his account here was deleted:

PERSONAL INFORMATION REDACTED

See the last known IP?.... Bingo. It matches the one in the screenie.

So, yup. Our only Classic JMod, and clanmate, seems to be RWT'ing with

(Redacted)

, helping to destroy both the RSC and RS2 economy, and is likely getting a share of the profit from the items he helped

(Redacted)

obtain on Classic.

15-Aug-2018 16:00:14 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 20:29:00 by Rob

Sep

2010

Rob

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Jagex's response to our investigation:

"Hi there Rob,

Mod (Redacted) has gone home now – however, he asked me to confirm to you that he has seen the bank with his very own eyes, and everything you mentioned in your previous email is now being investigated internally.

As you can hopefully understand, we cannot divulge any information about this matter to you. Rest assured though – you are not being ignored, you are not being passed off. We are investigating and will take appropriate action.

Thank you for contacting us about this, Rob!"

Yet, nothing was ever done. The carnage of cert dumps continued until the market was permanently ruined.

15-Aug-2018 16:28:04 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 19:04:45 by Rob

Sep

2010

Rob

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Also, me publicly posting about that incident is in no way in effort for me to question the integrity of any specific employee or to group them all into 1 evil entity, but simply to show that Jagex's slate isn't as clean as you all may think, and their reasoning behind classic's closure is far from legitimate.

The reasonings were excuses that the average RS3/OsRS player with little knowledge of the game would buy; so our anger is downed out by people who say "Jagex told you why and it's fair reasoning!"

15-Aug-2018 16:44:23

Feb

2022

Jack Flac

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I'm just going to say this OP. It's pointless trying to convince anyone who has no experience in the matter. They are just going to keep regurgitating the bullshit excuses Jagex puts out for these things, no matter what you say.

You just have to take one look at how people talk about Darkscape to see what I mean. It's obvious from the things they say that the majority of them know less than 1% of the shit that went down in those 6 months, the stunts the Mods pulled. How not even three months into the game, Jagex had completely abandoned it. How we practically had to force them to punish players after they abused a bug that allowed them to get millions upon millions of free XP.

Remember how there was that penguin that allowed players to endlessly spot it, allowing for endless penguin points? And how they permanently banned thousands of players who abused that bug?

Well something similar happened in Darkscape at the beginning of 2016. Players were able to endlessly repeat the Troll Warzone. And the worst offenders, all they got was a 2 week temp ban, and only because the rest of us players made so much noise about it. They didn't even get rollbacks. The real kicker is this. After it was closed, Mod Kelpie said "You should consider yourselves lucky. If this had been RS3, you would have been perm-banned on the spot".

And the sad thing is, that wasn't even the worst of the things that took place there.

So believe me, I get where you are coming from, I really do. But there is no real point in trying to convince people who have no experience in the matter. It's like talking to a wall. Leader of The Enemy ||

The opposite of Justice is simply another Justice. What is Evil is subjective to each person.

YOU

are their evil

15-Aug-2018 18:23:30

Sep

2010

Rob

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Jack Flac said :

So believe me, I get where you are coming from, I really do. But there is no real point in trying to convince people who have no experience in the matter. It's like talking to a wall.

Much truth to that.

Sorry you guys had to go through the same shit we've been putting up with. And now, 17 years worth of gaming is gone. The company doesn't give a damn about the players from literally 2001 that have lost everything.

It's a sad and dark time for Runescape/Jagex.

15-Aug-2018 18:30:48

Lord Bucket

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Rob said :
Jagex's response to our investigation:

"Hi there Rob,

Mod (Redacted) has gone home now – however, he asked me to confirm to you that he has seen the bank with his very own eyes, and everything you mentioned in your previous email is now being investigated internally.

As you can hopefully understand, we cannot divulge any information about this matter to you. Rest assured though – you are not being ignored, you are not being passed off. We are investigating and will take appropriate action.

Thank you for contacting us about this, Rob!"

Yet, nothing was ever done. The carnage of cert dumps continued until the market was permanently ruined.

How long was that ago?

I'd suggest to take it to Reddit, if nothing comes out of it. J-mods actually do read on Reddit and frequently reply. And they can't ignore something like that on Reddit. They've responded to a lot of threads you'd think they'd steer clear from. If Jagex fucked up, they have to own up. Simple as that. No matter how "old" the news is.

I mean, why fire Mod Reach, and not that guy? They were/are both abusing their position.

And again, we all know Jagex lies about things. But you had no proof*. Despite my disagreements on many fronts with Jagex, I cannot join a rally if I don't know what it's about.

*It's still not what I'd hoped for, but fair enough. You won't hear anything from me about it anymore. What kind of MTX do

YOU

want to see in OSRS?
Click here to post your suggestions

15-Aug-2018 19:41:48

Apr

2020

Luis12345LTS

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Lord Bucket said :

I'd suggest to take it to Reddit, if nothing comes out of it. J-mods actually do read on Reddit and frequently reply. And they can't ignore something like that on Reddit. They've responded to a lot of threads you'd think they'd steer clear from. If Jagex fucked up, they have to own up. Simple as that. No matter how "old" the news is.

I'd also say it would be good taking it to reddit as well, not only it is more a neutral battleground, but also further details could be added there (as needed), which in here it just may not be able be placed. Rob, I do know of what you are saying happened as it was something bad done on rsc along the timeline of RS history that hasn't been done properly. Maybe getting it there as well can help out the non-believers see truth they just don't want to believe in, while at the same time depressed and saddened rs players can join the cause.

15-Aug-2018 20:01:57 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 20:07:25 by Luis12345LTS

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